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COOPER: -“There is no why. Do you think you’re the first person that ever got conned? You needed a father figure and I needed a kidney, and that’s what happened. Get over it. And John, don’t come back. You’re not wanted.”

— shoegirl927

I tried to compose a theory where John and Ben turn out to be related. Some people think that they share the same mom, some think that they share the same dad, while others think that there is no relation at all. This is my attempt to go through our various options. For me here are the possible scenarios. Forgive me for repeating myself but it was the only way not to confuse myself while writing this.

Locke and Ben have the same mother- Emily. Emily has Locke when she is 15 years old to a man “twice her age”. She gives up the child. December 19th in the early 1960s she gives birth to Ben and passes away. Even if we say that they share the same mother then we have the father situation.

Scenario 1- Locke and Ben have the same mother- Emily. Richard Alpert is Locke’s father and Roger is Ben’s father.

Scenario 2- Locke and Ben have the same mother- Emily. Anthony Cooper is Locke’s father and Roger is Ben’s father.

Scenario 3- Locke and Ben have the same mother- Emily. Anthony Cooper is Locke’s father and Roger is not Ben’s true father which is why he has such hatred for Ben and is his reason for treating him so bad when they are on the island.

Scenario 4- Is it possible that Richard Alpert is the father to both Locke and Ben? Maybe Emily is the “chosen one” who will give birth to the future leader. So when Locke ends up not fulfilling that destiny maybe Richard showed up again to be with Emily and impregnate her again hoping that this will be the correct child- the one that will eventually lead them.

Lateralus stated- (in their response to a post- by IknowWalt) that this is a pivotal conversation between Cooper and Locke that pretty much says he got conned. You don’t have to have a genetic match to donate a kidney to someone.

LOCKE: Why? cooper: There is no why. Do you think you’re the first person that ever got conned? You needed a father figure and I needed a kidney, and that’s what happened. Get over it. And John, don’t come back. You’re not wanted.

Now to believe this scenario you go on the fact that “Emily” died after giving birth to Ben. So who is that woman calling herself Emily in “Deus Ex Machina”? Is she not Locke’s mother? This paragraph is from Lostpedia regarding Emily Locke-

Many years later, while working in the toy department of a superstore, John notices that he is being stalked by a mysterious woman, soon revealed to be his mother, Emily. In their first conversation, Emily claimed he was “immaculately conceived” (although she meant that he had no father), paving the way for his special “destiny”. However, the disbelieving John hired an investigator to track her down, who returned with information about his living father, and a medical record of his mother’s psychiatric problems. If the DI have all the power and control that we are to believe that they have is paying off a PI to give Locke certain info not plausible? I’m also sure that they could also pay off some woman to pretend to be “Emily Locke”. Why this would occur is something I cannot figure out though.

Scenario 5- Emily Locke and Anthony Cooper are Locke’s true parents and Emily Linus and Roger are Ben’s parents and there is no relation. But I guess that wouldn’t be much fun for us theorists huh?

Now we also know that Emily Locke was admitted several times to the Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute for a treatable type of schizophrenia. She became addicted to drugs; however, it is unknown if the addiction is related to her treatment. (“Deus Ex Machina”) (lostpedia)

Isn’t it odd that she was where Hurley was? And where Libby was? If she was in a mental institution how hard would it be to get her to take money and lie?

Scenario 6- Emily Locke is John’s mother and Richard Alpert is only John’s true father not Ben’s.

Wow my head hurts. If I left something out I am sorry. I do however think that they share the same mom but I am still up in the air about the dad. My initial thinking is that Richard is Locke’s father only because he is “gazing” at Locke like a father would. Plus I find it very hard to believe that we would have two characters named “Emily” that do the exact same thing after giving birth to a son.

She soon gave birth to her baby prematurely, whom she adamantly named John. (Emily Locke) Her dying words were a request that Roger name their son Benjamin. (“The Man Behind the Curtain”)(Emily Linus)(lostpedia)

It seems to me that Ben was not who they thought he was, and Locke was the first choice and the one they needed to end up on the island- and he did……now who brought him there is another story.

Key characters

Short Name Full Name Episodes Theories
Anthony Anthony Cooper 186
Ben Benjamin Linus 3.20, 4.9, & 3” href=”/episodes/theres-no-place-home-parts-2-3/”>4.13 1716
Emily Emily Locke 126
John John Locke 3.3, 2.17, 1.4, 1.19, 3.13, 3.19, 4.11, & 3” href=”/episodes/theres-no-place-home-parts-2-3/”>4.13 1231

Key episodes

# Title Aired Central character Theories
3.19 The Brig 5-2-2007 John 134
3.13 The Man from Tallahassee 3-21-2007 John 154
2.1 Man of Science, Man of Faith 9-21-2005 Shannon 195
1.19 Deus Ex Machina 3-30-2005 John 100
1.4 Walkabout 10-14-2004 John 116

Key events

Theme Relevant Episodes Theories
Locke Can Walk 288
Oceanic Flight 815 crashes 1.1 582

Key locations

Theme Relevant Episodes Theories
Jacob’s Cabin 4.1, 3.20 163
The Pearl station 2.21, 3.5, 3.14 230

Comments

  1. YinGirl May 18, 2008 10:33 p.m. Comment: 1

    I share the opinion it’s likely Ben and Locke’s mother are the same Emily. I’m not so sure about the fathers either. I like the idea of Richard being Locke’s father. Who else could be twice Emily’s age and probably look good. enough to a 16 year old but timeless Richard. That’s an interesting idea that Richard fathered Locke and Ben. I don’t believe Roger is Ben’s dad. I like it.so +1 from me.

  2. sitting_in_trees May 19, 2008 9:09 a.m. Comment: 2

    I don´t think Emily Locke and Emily Linus are the same person. The private investigator (Frainey), Locke hired, confirmed the DNA matches with 99% accuracy.

    LOCKE: So, she’s my mother.

    frainey: I lifted some hairs from her car and matched them with your DNA samples. It’s 99% certain.

    That makes John and Emily Locke related. Their encounter took place somewhat in the 90´s.

    Ben´s mother, however, died shortly after given birth to him in the 60´s.

    EMILY: Roger? Roger?

    ROGER: I’m right here.

    EMILY: Call him Benjamin.

    [Emily passes out]

    Her death is confirmed within a conversation between young Ben and Roger Linus.

    [At night, Ben arrives back at the house to find Roger asleep on the couch with beer cans scattered around the room. Ben puts a blanket over him and Roger rouses]

    ROGER: Wow… [Sees the wrapped present] It’s your birthday. Sorry I forgot. Kinda hard to celebrate on the day you killed your mom. She was just seven months pregnant. We went for a hike, but you had to come early. Now, she’s gone. And I’m stuck here on this island…with you. [Pauses, grunts] Happy birthday, Ben.

    Both transcripts are taken from here

    That´s why I can´t acknowledge the scenarios 1 to 4 to be true.

  3. shoegirl927 May 19, 2008 4:25 p.m. Comment: 3

    I agree with all of your points sittingintrees. But as I said above the PI could lie to Locke, considering everything that happens it wouldn’t be hard to believe… this is my argument for that PI story from above.

    Now to believe this scenario you go on the fact that “Emily” died after giving birth to Ben. So who is that woman calling herself Emily in “Deus Ex Machina”? Is she not Locke’s mother? This paragraph is from Lostpedia regarding Emily Locke-

    Many years later, while working in the toy department of a superstore, John notices that he is being stalked by a mysterious woman, soon revealed to be his mother, Emily. In their first conversation, Emily claimed he was “immaculately conceived” (although she meant that he had no father), paving the way for his special “destiny”. However, the disbelieving John hired an investigator to track her down, who returned with information about his living father, and a medical record of his mother’s psychiatric problems. If the DI have all the power and control that we are to believe that they have is paying off a PI to give Locke certain info not plausible? I’m also sure that they could also pay off some woman to pretend to be “Emily Locke”. Why this would occur is something I cannot figure out though.

  4. GOTTALOVELOST May 19, 2008 4:36 p.m. Comment: 4

    I commented to someone else’s post a couple of weeks ago that I thought Emily’s mom knew Richard and maybe he was John’s father. She gave off the impression that she knew him when the nurse asked if he was the father. She said she didn’t know who that was, but her eyes gave her away. IMO

  5. shoegirl927 May 19, 2008 10:13 p.m. Comment: 5

    I didn’t even catch that gottalovelost. I rewatched it and you are right. The mystery deepens….