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Apple, I am inclined to agree with you. I had similar thoughts. Also, I heard on the latest Podcast, that there were “consequences involved” for Ben summoning Smokie.

Nice theory! +1

Widmore never broke any rules, he “changed” them….

I’m going with what iLOATit is saying.. He changed them. Not broke them.

Lostit, Those were Ben’s accusing words, not Widmores. In fact it is Widmore who tells Ben, that it was Ben’s fault for what happened.

Ben cashed in on another opportunity. The extent of which we have yet to see.

Point is, the rule Ben is talking about refers to the course of the universe — not killing family members.

Another aside — Ben’s belief that a rule has been changed doesn’t mean that it really has … Widmore didn’t seem to be buying it. Both Ben and Widmore seem to acknowledge that there are rules though.

I am also trying to figure out why the mercenaries are still alive despite an unleashed Smokey. That their deaths go against a rule might explain it.

Thanks for the feedback.

AppleofmyEye I agree +1

This theory is already out there, but not as neatly put together. Also, for any true LOST fan, i’d find the idea that something as minute and personal as “No killing family members” would govern the LOST universe as an insult. I’ve said, ever since EKO’s death that Smokie was a Reaver of Time… he mends the breaks and bends in the timeline.

I believe that Ben did not call Smokie in that room. I believe that Ben went into the future, the whole (desert scene-sayid-widmore’s room)… all in that room, in that instance. SMOKIE independently came to alter the current situation on the island to ENSURE that BEN would survive to that point in the future. Since Ben traveled to 2005 in Tunisia… Smokie came and thwarted the Mercenaries offensive enough to allow Ben to escape… therefore allowing him to survive to 2005, to make his travel possible. It’s complicated but i feel its possible.

I’ll leave you with this.

There is no time travel in Lost…. Only Transcending Conscienceness… Ben did not just teleport to 2005… he allowed his mind to see 2005.

Dazed,

Thanks for the feedback.

You say that Ben “went into the future” and “traveled to 2005 in Tunisia.” Then you say “no time travel in Lost… Only transcending conscienceness.” I agree with your latter theory (at least so far). I don’t think anyone is traveling to the future. I don’t even think they are “seeing” it. I think we, the viewers, are seeing it. It’s just like the flashbacks; we are just “seeing” what happened to characters in the past. They are not actually traveling into the past — at least not until Desmond and Minkowski go back spiritually?…

I believe that Ben did call Smokey when he went in that room —I read that the writers have said there will be “consequences” for this action.

Dazed and confused also, Apple

Dazed, just want to add that I think Ben “landed” in Tunisia from another place — not necessarily another time.

Widmore didn’t pull the trigger on anyone. This whole talk forgets that, like the game of chess, the rules operate separately from the players. Two people playing chess play by the rules. If they disagree on the rules, they go to the rule book. Unless Ben and Widmore invented a game to play themselves, they would have to go to a third source to consult and change the rules.

Who is the referee?

Thanks Apple, I’ve been reading on and off for a while and this theory and comments has inspired me to register. I agree with you that the “rules” are NOT to alter the course of the universe. +1

But later in your reply to Dazed I feel that you may have contradicted your theory. You state, “I don’t think anyone is traveling to the future. I don’t even think they are “seeing” it. In my opinion, and if this theory is correct. I think Ben would have to know the future in order to know that the “rules” were changed? Like you said, Ben seemed pretty sure that Alex would survive. He even assured her that everything would be ok. To me this is suggesting that Ben already saw the future with Alex in it, and when she died the future was in-fact changed.

If you can suggest any other way that Ben would know that the rules were changed without knowing the future I would like to hear your thoughts.

P.S. this has nothing to do with the theory. I tried to register and it said I would receive an e-mail to continue my registration. I never received the e-mail. But yet it shows my name under recent users. I then had to re-register with another name and e-mail address and then I finally received the e-mail to continue registration. Did this ever happen to anyone else?

Elsewhere,

I may be getting in too deep, but here goes —

Widmore seems to acknowledge rules (referee is Universe), but doesn’t buy into Ben’s accusation that he changed the rules. So the rules have not necessarily been changed or broken. But Ben, for a time, operates under the notion that the rules can be changed. Will that get him into trouble?

Now for your question: How does Ben “know” the future? Through his “communion” with the island — specifically Jacob. Perhaps Jacob revealed something to Ben about a future event that Ben believes hinges on Alex. We know that there is at least one prophesy floating around about the Chosen One killing his father (or something like that — the business with Locke). If this is the case, Ben believes Alex must be alive to fulfill a prophesy.

Just a possibility. I suspect, HOPE, we learn more in the next episode than we did in this one.

http://lost-theories.com/theories/2008/may/03/without-these-answers-we-dont-/

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And Tree_Sneaks, I think Ben and Widmore are playing by a third party’s rules. It’s got to be the same third party that has Jacob trapped. I’ll say the Universe. It’s the only other party we’ve been introduced to who has “players “in “the game.” I mean that metaphorically of course! I’m talking about the “course correctors.”