Monks v’s Faraday
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By fivestades
- Monks v’s Faraday
- Created: Mar 31, 2008
- Last updated: Aug 14, 2008
- After episode: 3.2: The Glass Ballerina
- Status: Current
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Just noticed something worth a look. Sorry about all the links.
First link shows Queen’s College, Oxford University In 1996, Where Daniel Faraday was a professor in Desmond’s ‘Constant’ flashback.
Next I thought, ‘that is the building Brother Campbell and Ms Hawking were standing in-front of in the weird picture on Brother Campbell’s desk’. Catch 22)
So I thought, maybe Brother C & Ms. H has been to the college pre 1996 and got a souvenir pic………very interesting.
But then I noticed that the monastery and the college appear to be the same building. See screen caps below from Des’s First meeting with Penny in Catch 22.
And another if you’re not convinced.
Just to make sure.
I am 100% that this is the same building.
Firstly is this a double use of a background building, (anyone know the location?) Surely not. The archways and windows on the building are very distinctive. In both Catch 22 and The Constant the building is given plenty of air time, it is a location rather than background scenery. I will concede now that it obviously could be a duel set but…..if it isn’t…….
What is going on. What does this mean. I have always believed we cannot trust our Des flashes, there are far too many inconsistencies. Did he really go to the monastery? Did he really go to the college? Are we seeing evidence that we are watching a flawed memory of an event rather than the actual event? Which building did he go to first? He can’t be at the same building. Would Penny remember meeting Des at that building?
What do you think Brother?? I am on the brink of my own aneurysm.
Key characters
| Short Name | Full Name | Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|
| Desmond | Desmond David Hume | 2.23, 3.17, 4.5 | 859 |
| Penny | Penny Widmore | 3.8 | 254 |
Key episodes
| # | Title | Aired | Central character | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 3.17 | Catch 22 | 4-18-2007 | Desmond | 124 |
dude excellent,I havent read something this interesting in a while +1
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
fivestades, I agree with you that the buidings look to be the same!! Whether it means anything though, is anyones guess! Nice catch ! +1
big +1 from me by the way!
that pic with brother campbell and ms h…. it doesen’t look real and natural… they both look like they’ve been pasted on to the background of the pic deliberately..
like they’re just “glued”in collage with this background of a monastery… their bodies don’t blend in with the backround at all… (like in those old movies when they ride in a car and you can see that it’s all in the studio)
i mean,the images are a great catch. But this is excellent,“Did he really go to the monastery? Did he really go to the college? Are we seeing evidence that we are watching a flawed memory of an event rather than the actual event? Which building did he go to first? He can’t be at the same building. Would Penny remember meeting Des at that building?”
WOW. How in the world did you catch that? I mean, really. WOW.
I think it is probably just a dual use of the same set and the producers did not mean for us to notice that. (I mean, who would notice that?? Oh wait, you did. Haha!) If there is meaning behind it, then that would be incredible that you pointed it out. Credit to you if that happens to be.
Can I make a suggestion? Go outside, get some sun, maybe focus on a hobby…I kid, I kid. Haha. +1 for probably the most minute observation I have read on this site so far. Again I say - WOW.
Great work, fivestades. I definitely think they are the same building. Although buildings are often re-used as you speak of, one this distinctive and shown as many times as it has been, could not be simply building re-use. There is something to this IMO . It could be an alternate reality thing where things have changed, or it could simply be the University is an extension of the monastery (or vice versa).
why do people give -1 if they dont give comments? just a question. This really doesnt deserve a -1 so give a reason??
Another WOW, fivestades! What a catch! I had noticed the pic of the monk and Mrs. Hawkings seemed to be at Queens, but to go back and connect it to the monastery… that’s just genius. +108 :)
hpavesic, yeah the pic is really odd, couldn’t look less like a genuine photograph!
marzol33333333, thanks!
Appolobar lol, I do need a new hobby, you are right.
Ozzig, Hi, hows the dog? Glad you agree that it’s not building re-use, it’s really confusing me??
cool idea.+… to play devil’s advocate here…it makes more sense that the producers of this tv show (the folks who get their budgets set by guys in suits) are repurposing this location or set to cut costs. in other words, produce the show as cheaply as possible and sell as much soap as you can during the broadcast.
how in god’s name did you ever notice that? although there isn’t much of a theory here, just a bunch of questions, i give you +1 for noticing something i could have watched 1000 times and probably not picked up.
i don’t think they would reuse the set to save money…this is one of the most expensive shows in the history of television we’re talking about
by the way, i agree you should not be able to give -1 without posting some sort of a comment
Good post and I also think we should give credit to Scottyks who had already posted:
http://lost-theories.com/theories/2008/feb/29/connection-between-brother-cam/
and to AngeloComet for his post:
http://lost-theories.com/theories/2007/oct/26/desmond-vs-course-correctors/
Brother campbell kicked Des out of the abbey, so he’d meet Penny.
Because Des met Penny, it started a chain of events, causing des to enter widmore’s round the world sailing challenge, which led him to the island.
After the hatch explosion, des got sent back in time (mentally, physically don’t know), and Ms Hawking tried to stop him changing the past, so he’d be on the island and have the ability to move through time.
Which Leds Des to the University in 1996, so he can be Daniel Constant.
So ultimially I think Campbell and Hawking are arranging events to save Daniel’s life. Why he’s needed, don’t know. But I do think he might turn out to be a very important character.
As I side note, does anyone think Libby could part of campbell’s and Hawking’s group. She gave Des her boat no questions asked, and she was in the mental home watching Hurley, who since he can see jacob’s cabin, he’s probably pretty important too.
Solarchap, kudos to you for remembering that it had been noticed before about the buildings being the same by Scottyks, and AC is usually always on target too.They definitely should be included. There could even be more than them, it is very hard to keep up with all the great theories and possible clues!
Five, As always you have made good observations! +1
It could be a case of either or, but I think when we do learn more about Ms. Hawking and her role in the story, we might know for certain, which one is the case! I think there could be some kind of connection.
Solar, thanks for giving props to the above posters!
Five this is a great catch! Very interesting indeed. I don’t know what it means but certainly there would be no excuse for just saying this is a location blooper.
+1 brutha.
solar, thanks for the links.
Someone help me………..if we add The Constant to Des’s life time line, Am I right to say that Des would have been to the monastery version of the building before he visited the college version of the building? If the college was supposed to be ‘96 was the monastery the end of ‘95 or ‘96 too?
Maybe Desmond’s mind travel in The Constant took him back to the place he physically was in ‘96? A bit like a dream, It was the monastery but it wasn’t.
Anyone know of a link to a good visual time line of all the events in lost so far??
I don’t really know what to make of it….but great eye as usual five! I still think you are wrong about the backward speak in Kate’s trial though :) LOL +1
+1 great catch
I don’t know of a visual timeline, but I would love to see someone put one together and post a link. That would really help me in remembering exactly what was going on. Great idea.
Also when Des jumped in ‘flashes before your eyes’. There are huge visual issues for me. I had a go at an explanation in another theory ‘political stance……’ Check it out if you fancy but basically…
Look at the links below and notice how the office around Des flips, the lamp changes sides on the table, the picture on the wall changes, he changes seats, etc. http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1250-337.html http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1250-334.html In the whole sequence so much changes, significant background details change when he meets Charlie outside. Have a re-watch.
I feel this adds weight to the monastery/college mystery. Desmond’s surroundings when he jumps seem to have a significance.
Five, I recall way ,way back on this site a heated debate regarding the office scene and Desmond took place regarding the same thing.
If memory serves me correct, the writers stated that they used different camera angles to shoot the scene, making it appear as if the room, picture, lamp, etc, appeared to be on different sides. I can’t recall all of the details though. Perhaps someone else does.
prob just an error in production with the room being mirrored in some scenes. I would assume. How do you catch these things? Still - WOW.
Well, I did some research and I know the answer for the location of the building,and it is the same one used in 3.17”Catch 22”, and 4.5 “The Constant.
I am pretty sure that it is just a case of practical use for filming purposes. I guess they just do not realize how observant ,fans of the show can be.
Also if you go to the first link solarchap mentioned, someone said in a comment about Charlie and Liam walking through the arches. That is the same building also ,and they used it in 1.07 “The Moth”.
this is the only time-line I know of that covers season1-4. It is very long & I don’t have time to check it out right now. Good luck! http://tviv.org/Lost/Timeline
I’ll be truly livid if this just turns out to be a generic remotely religious/historic/fine educational facility location. How dare they! They could have easily shot the S04 college elsewhere! It just seems so intentional with the Desmond flashes plus the weird Campbell/Hawking picture.
Good primary evidence katesawjack, can’t argue with that! I love the pics how do you do that?
Blonde……lol, we shall see about that, we shall see!
Blondegop, thanks for the Time line!
Fivestades, Sorry but that is exactly what it is. To be precise it is St. Andrews Priory on Oahu. As to how to post the pictures wtfsignmeup has a very good post on how you do it, much better than I could explain!! http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2008/mar/29/how-post-pictures-not-theory/
after seeing katesawjacks post, im going with the idea that they are just re using parts of sets and stuff
I think this is just the same movie backround, and the filmers didn’t want to find a new background. Doubt theres any real connection here.
people who give minus points and don’t leave comments are cowards. write a reason. and then give the man a minus.
There is a site that shows a lot of different locations that they use on lost , by each episode ,but I am hesitant to post the link. It is kind of like whether you like spoilers or not.
I know the first time I did the Universal StudiosTour in Hollywood CA, I was a bit amazed to see that one very large scene of the parting of the seas that Moses’ did(Charlton Heston in “The Ten Commandments”) was a little dip in the road where they could make it appear that the water parted!!
well-said hpavesic…
Alright, I gotta give this a try. I love the pictures!! Deep breath Here goes nothing…
Only the hottest man on the show. Even dead he is HOT!!
whoops, lol that last comment was meant for the link KSJ posted about how to post pics…guess it is no matter. Probably didnt work anyway…
Yay!! I am like a kid in a candy store!! Sorry to step all over your theory, Five. I am just so excited! Okay I will quit now…
Yes, it’s true… I noticed this building before and though nothing of it. Hawaii is not exactly a large or particularly old place in terms of it’s selection of architecture. This building was mentioned here:
http://lost-theories.com/theories/2008/feb/29/connection-between-brother-cam/
“What does this mean. I have always believed we cannot trust our Des flashes, there are far too many inconsistencies. Did he really go to the monastery? Did he really go to the college? Are we seeing evidence that we are watching a flawed memory of an event rather than the actual event? Which building did he go to first? He can’t be at the same building. Would Penny remember meeting Des at that building?” you asked.
Well, by using the same logic I’ll post another theory that is equally unprovable.
Lulu the dog is a time lord like Dr. Who and travels through the universe to course correct things that go astray. Lulu appears in Nigeria with Eko, at the university with Desmond and Daniel, in the Other’s barracks with Juliet and Jack, and on Jacob’s cabin wall. Therefore Lulu must be able to travel through time. Not just her consciousness, but her body as well, because we all know dogs don’t live that long.
I’m not trying to be facetious. Just pointing out that the reuse of actors, vehicles and locations is not uncommon on a television show. Not even one so as astutely analyzed as LOST is.
Nice work, KSJ!
Sorry, fivestades, I’m disappointed too, but I guess we should have expected it was somewhere in Hawaii. :(
I think the production team didn’t give you guys the credit you deserve. great job
Okay, I am back here, to try and qualify my stand about locations.I think that what they are representing as storyline, should not be confused with using some of the exterior or interior shots more than once because of the mere fact of being bound by logistics.I think we are intended to see them, as what they are representing them to be.
As an example I’m sure everyone remembers the lovely scene with Rose and Bernard 2.19 ,when he proposed as they were sitting in a restaurant with a view of Niagara Falls!
This was really where it was
Note the window panes,tablecandle,chairs,tableclothfolding and wooden rail on the wall,allof whichmay be matched to the filming location. The actual scenery was beachside!
Yes, I think its just a limited locations factor. The same place was also used for Ekos scene (when the guy gives him a fake passport outside his church in Sydney) in Season 2.
http://lost-theories.com/theories/2008/feb/29/connection-between-brother-cam/ spoke of this “connection” before.
The building is the location for many scenes in LOST. With Hawaii being a relatively small island with limited architecture, I suspect the producers simply reused the building because permission to film there was easy to obtain.
“What is going on. What does this mean. I have always believed we cannot trust our Des flashes, there are far too many inconsistencies. Did he really go to the monastery? Did he really go to the college? Are we seeing evidence that we are watching a flawed memory of an event rather than the actual event? Which building did he go to first? He can’t be at the same building. Would Penny remember meeting Des at that building?”
Using the logic you’ve stated above to justify the Desmond’s conscious travels and/or memories are somehow flawed is like suggesting Lulu is a Time Lord.
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Lulu
Lulu has appeared in Nigeria with Eko, the Oxford University with Desmond and Daniel, the Others barracks with Juliet and Jack and on a painting in Jacob’s cabin. How can one dog be in so many places in so many times?!?!
Obviously, since a dogs average life span is roughly 10 years, depending on breed and living conditions, it would seem Lulu is 20-100 years old, depending on Eko’s age and Jacob’s painting. Therefore Lulu must be a time traveling dog… probably a time lord, like Dr. Who, and is in charge of course correcting the universe.
You see how I quickly go from speculation, to using “evidence” to prove my theory, to absolute insanity in just a few short sentences.
Nothing Desmond did in his travels back to 1996 contradict what happened in his other flashbacks. We knew he left Penny. We knew he was imprisoned in a military jail. Later we found out he left Penny because of Mrs. Hawkings discussion. We knew he was in a military prison because he went AWOL to go talk to Daniel at the University. Nothing changed.
oops, didn’t mean to double post. it’s been a long day and I forgot that I already responded to this. sorry folks.
Before I got to the bottom and saw someone mention it, I thought the same about Eko in Australia and Charlie and Liam in England. I agree, I think it’s just reuse of the same set, but +1 for the good eye!
This was why I suggested that Mrs Hawking may have interfered in the Daniel / Eloise maze experiment.
http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2008/mar/25/mrs-hawking-and-eloise/
Sorry, but the Monks v Faraday observation was old news even then the original observation was a good spot though; (and before any says anything I am not suggesting that fivestades has knowingly copied someone else’s observation).
Just to add - this just shows that some good stuff is getting lost amongst the otherwise crap theoriess (including mine).
Noce theory!! +1
They might have reused the building but they could have and would have disguised it in some way. That they didn’t means there is significance.
I don’t think it necessarily means there is any significance, but they could do so. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
+1 excellent observation skills i do not have a clue what to make of it tho lol
+1 for good observation
They use the same building (at least it looks like it) in The Moth during Charlie’s flashback which is like episode 5 in Season 1 or something, just noticed it watching last night. (I don’t have the ability to post pics so maybe someone else can).
Wait someone already mentioned the moth =(
zubidoo,That someone was I ,and I also posted two pics! As eko might say look north, and I do not mean that in a mean way either. Sometimes a thread gets so long things can be missed!! lol
I agree with many in that it’s just a re-used filming location. It’s odd and a bit clumsy to re-use such a distinctive location. Usually shows are more cautious, like Doctor Who used the same staircase once in both 1.6 and 2.X and they tried very hard to cover it up! And that was just the BBC an just a staircase! Nice bit of trivia there anyway.