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Irocz28,

Haha. I love your last line…nice confidence!

I have always thought this was proof that Jin is one of the 2 losties that supposedly survived the crash, but died before rescue. Claire being the other one (because she had to give birth to Aaron). I believe the tombstone was erected before the Oceanic Six were rescued, and that’s why it lists 9/22/04 as the day he died. I posted a theory on here about it a couple weeks ago.

Nice work! I like this theory.

WOW so you are thinking that Hurley may be the portrayed father of this baby? How very interesting…not sure how believable it would be to the public, though. The public would have to believe that Jin died in the plane crash and then - not even a month later - Sun is pregnant with the big boy on the island’s baby. And maybe THAT is why nobody was at the birth. Her father thinks she has disgraced him and the baby is illegitimate. Hhmmm. I dont know man. I understand what you are saying about the timeline not making sense but maybe nobody is paying too much attention to that extra month in there. Maybe people arent questioning it and she is merely getting away with the lie. OR maybe Jin is one of the “2 additional survivors that Kate dragged out of the water” and died later on the island. I know that is contradicted with the date on the gravestone, but…wow you have got me really thinking now. Dangit!! :P +1

I disagree with your conclusion (that Hurley is claiming it his child), but I agree that it is a theory. Given the absence of theories, you get a +1 just for that.

I think Hurley says “goood” because all of the O6 are uncomfortable around each other because of the elaborate lie they are telling…

That could explain the absence of Sun’s father, Mr. Paik. His daughter getting pregnant by Giligan could have caused him to disown her, or at least be mad enough to not care about his new grandchild.

Jin is the father. He must not have died in the crash, but didn’t make it off the island. Jake said in the Kate centric episode when he was testifying that others had died on the island, and they were only the six that survived to rescue.

Appollo, the public thinks he died in the crash. This is evident by the 9/22/04 date on the tombstone. Chuck, who is going to claim this child? If she says it is Jins she would have to say it was concieved before the plane took off. That would equate to almost a 10.5 month pregnancy???

Just because Jin didn’t get back to civilization, doesn’t mean that he didn’t survive the crash like the others before dying.

Lets not forget that the public probably doesn’t know about what has happened on the island. This I most likely why his gravestone is marked this way.

Notimetravel and djDharma. The tombstone date (9/22/04) indicates to me that the public thinks that he died in the crash on impact.

The only person who gives a good argument is WhattheFoucalt. The only explanation here is that the tombstone was erected before the O6 were found and the date of the crash was put on there.

Iroc, I understand that the public thinks he died on this date. I was just trying to see all of the angles. It’s kinda what I do. That is why I put many different possibilities in my comment. I dont know how I think she is pulling that off. I just try to consider all possibilities. But I definitely dont think they are trying to pull it off as Hurley’s baby. Sorry. I did give you a thumbs up and a +1 though.

They were “found” at the bottom of the ocean, so yes a tombstone could well have been placed before the oceanic 6 got off for all them marking the day of the crash as the day of their deaths…..that makes complete sense and hadnt thought of that before! So simple lol!

However….

They havnt amended that atall, so i still assume that the world still beleives Jin died on that day. So according to the world, Suns baby could have only been fathered by Jack, Sayid, or Hurley right?

hmm suddenly your theory doesnt seem so odd.

I don’t think that the world at large would notice a month here or there in a pregnancy. It’s not like she would broadcast her ultrasounds. Assuming that her OB is discreet and paid enough to keep their mouth closed I don’t think it would be noticed at all. The OB would be more likely to make the assumption that one of the other 815 survivors was the father. Sun is very rich and protected even without the Oceanic payout. I think she would probably already have a discreet doctor who knows better than to talk about his patient.

Honestly she could say whatever she wanted.. The whole story the 6 are living is a lie, so anything could be made up.

Thanks everyone for the feedback. If it is portrayed that Jin is one of the two that survived the crash and but did not make it to rescue, wouldn’t the date be amended, like Jax said. I mean they would have had months to get this done leading up to Jin’s visit to the grave. And this would also mean that even the O6 would have tombstones somewhere as well as they were thought of as “dead” at one point.

This show is crazy. I have a headache lol.

hey, forgive my poor english, I hope U understand anyway. In “Ji Yeon” we see that Sun has a very hard belly ache and says something like “something is going wrong with my baby”… why do you take for granted that the baby was born with exactly 9 month of pregnancy? Maybe 8…just an opinion…

Thats a good point marcelona, she may not have gone to full term. But even then they would still know how far along she was.

maybe Marcelona. I thought about that too. But if she knew for an absolute fact that she would have a premature birth (within 8 months) then she definitely could have played it off all along that it was Jin’s. But there is no way for her to know this. I think that whoever (Widmore, Ben) set up this big lie had a stipulation that Sun must go along with the story that it is not Jin’s baby so that the time frames make sense. It is similar to how Kate is lying about Aaron.

A normal pregnancy lasts 280 days which is about 266 days from conception to birth….just for your calculation purposes.

I think Sun had to have been on top or it just wouldn’t have worked!

Even though it’s messing up my own theory, I think I noticed that the grave site is for both Jin and Sun, and Jin’s side has his birth date AND date of death. Sun’s side only has her birth date, making it seem like the tomb stone was erected after Sun was rescued, thus leading me to believe Jin was not one of the +2. I need a nap.

Wow. I didn’t even notice that WhatTheFoucault. Good one. So that confirms that the tombstone wasn’t erected before the O6 were found. Otherwise it would have had Sun’s date on there too.

While I agree with you in your theory, this still leaves the Aaron/Kate situation unsolved. Claire would not give up her baby but she can’t be dead being ‘the soul of the survivors’.

Not necessarily WhatTheFoucault and Irocz28. They could have the headstone placed with Sun’s birthdate only because she is going to share the lot with Jin whenever she dies. Showing the bday only, lets people know that she will be next to “the one she loves” when she passes away.

Although I do like the thought WTF came up with!

We don’t know when Jin dies and we don’t know when Sun has the baby. I don’t know about you but, it certainly “looked” like a full blooded Korean kid to me so, I don’t know about the Hurley-baby-daddy theory. We do know that time is not what it seems, not even to people on the island as demonstrated by Daniel’s experiment. I don’t know how anyone can under these odd-time circumstances so precisely try to pin down Jin’s death or Sun’s delivery? There’s still a lot we don’t know about what physically happens to pregnant women on the island. But, according to Juliette, Sun has about a month to leave before she dies if she is 3 months or so along and the sonogram was right. I think we have to keep in mind that nothing is ever as it seems. I’m also reminded of the scene when Richard was recruiting Juliette where he shows her a womb of a young women and Juliette guessed it to be womb of 70 year old female. So, there’s no way to know what is really happening in Sun’s system.

Ginobili, i agree that it is a full-blooded Korean kid. It is Jin and Sun’s baby. I don’t think that it is Hurley’s child, I just think that it is being portrayed that way because if the public thinks Jin died in the crash, then he obviously wouldn’t be able to concieve a child a month later, or 9 months before the birth. The conception happened in late October and Jin is presumed dead in September.

I think your post is great. I love this stuff! I understand your point about a typical pregnancy being 9 months and questioning what the public will think about Sun’s conception. I just think that the time-space continum is so twisted on this show that a conventional 9-month gestation period doesn’t apply. I think the bigger question is what will the public be led to believe about her date of conception. We know she has to leave the island early in the second trimester (according to Juliette). We may very well see Sun leave the island without a belly and return to the real world full-bellied and ready to deliver. The tombstone date may just be “symbolic” in that it may just be a date all of them essentially “died”. Consider it a collective date of death signifying their former lives before the crash and before the lies/secrets they will have to tell and keep in order to re-join the real world. We know they return with plenty of regrets for having left the island.

“it couldn’t have been by Jin because everyone thinks he died in the crash.”

At Kate’s trial Jack states that there were 8 survivors of the crash, all of whom Kate helped to shore safely.

I should imagine that Jin’s gravestone was erected before it was public knowledge that he survived the crash. It could be that they simply haven’t gotten around to changing it yet?

A more interesting theory than I first thought but I’m not convinced there’s anything major in this.

“I should imagine that Jin’s gravestone was erected before it was public knowledge that he survived the crash. It could be that they simply haven’t gotten around to changing it yet?”

Oceanic, if this is the case, then why doesn’t Sun’s side of the tombstone have a death date on it. There was only a date of birth there for Sun, but both a birth date and a death date for Jin. To me this indicates that the tombstone was erected after the O6 were found. This would mean that Jin is not one of the 8 that survived the crash. The fact that the date is 9/22/04 means he most likely died on impact in the crash.

I’ve read some of your theories and I like you. But, may I simply say do people calculate in their heads when the baby is suppose to be born to be someone’s child or when the baby was conceived to see if it matches up with the birthdate? Hurley posing as the Dad? I don’t think that sounds very realistic. The whole timeline thing is confusing!

Ah yes, interesting point. Icroz28.

It certainly wouldn’t be the first case of birth and conception dates not adding up in Lost. Remember how Kate found out that the man she thought was her dad actually couldn’t have been?

What “public”? There is no “public”… Sun can get away easily saying that she gave birth at the tenth even eleventh month… It happens that babies take that long to come out… And by the way? What sort of dynamic would this spawn on the rest of the story? This doesn’t add any mystery or controversy to the plot, and it doesn’t solve any mysteries for that matter.

The word “wrong” does not apply to you theory, it is just “irrelevant”… And very irrelevant for someone so cocky about his theoretician skills.

Your writing is appealing, though…

It’s not the public’s business who the baby daddy is!

Interesting Iroc… But this looks like the Writers messed up, or didn’t think of this, rather then them plotting about some intricate system of Dates… Also, what really set me off the edge into the -1 is the “And for all you newbies, THAT is what a theory is supposed to look like. Thank you.”

I like your in depth analysis of the pregnancy timing issue, but I think there is some play with the hard 9 month line for figuring the birthdate. The actual average lenght is 40 weeks which is closer to 10 months. Also, if sun went over the average and stated the inception date later than Juliette did, than a lot of time could be accounted for.

What amount of time do u have to be on here to not be considered a “newbie”?

Alvarogjp, you are calling this irrelavant? Do you realize how much irrelavant posts are put up on this website? I just read two posts yesterday theorizing on the word LOST and how it comes into view, becomes blurry, then disappears during the opening scenes of the show. But you think this post is irrelavant???

And for everyone saying “what public” and “the public won’t care”. Sure they will! These people are celebrities once they are rescued. Six people that survived a plane wreck over three months ago. And once they find out that one of them is pregnant, they are going to want to know by who. And if she tries to say “Jin”, then that would go against the timeline in this whole elaborate lie that has been set up for them to tell.

I put the last line in there because I am tired of the “latest” board being filled with posts like “Did anyone notice Christian is not in his coffin? I think he is still on the island” or “The numbers are significant in all of the Losties lives. I think they will play a big role in the outcome of the show.” These posts are BS and a waste of time. Even if you don’t agree with my post at least I wrote it well and supported it with facts. And I think it deserves better than its current rating just for that.

There really is no reason that the baby couldn’t be Jin’s in the mind of the public. Conception took place after one month on the Island, but pregnancies are counted from the first day of the last menstrual period. So that is only 2 weeks. And a 38-week pregnancy is nothing to even comment on. The point is that the child was conceived in Sun’s first cycle on-Island. No one is going to think this is all that strange except for her OB/GYN. And all he will be able to see is that the fetus is measuring large. Considering how rich Sun is, and who her father is, her OB/GYN is likely not to say a word about his suspicions.

blondegop…i am confused by your post

A normal pregnancy lasts 280 days which is about 266 days from conception to birth

isn’t the length of the pregnancy the amount of time between conception and birth…i’m not especially educated on the topic, but this makes no sense to me?

iroc…+1 for an intelligently written and intriguing post

jam…it is very confusing…Each month when a woman starts her cycle it is an “opportunity for the woman to conceive”. If the egg she makes is fertilized she is considered pregnant. Without getting too technical her pregnancy is dated back to the first day of her last period because that is the day the cycle of fertilization began. So if Mary starts her period on June 1st and conceives June 15th (mid-cycle), she will be late for her period on July 1st and take a test and at that point she is 1 month pregnant (4 weeks) not 2 weeks. This is where the extra 2 weeks come from. The 14 days prior to conception count in dating the pregnancy. . Does this help?

HaHA lrocz you basically just proved my theory right about Jin being one of the 2 survivors who died before getting off the island… and you gave my theory a -1…. guess what? I’m returnin the favor bud.

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Actually I am not you idiot. I wrote:

“If these dates are correct, then who does the public think is the father of this child? It can’t be Jin. He has supposedly been dead since 9/22/04 according to his tombstone.”

When I say “he has supposedly been dead since 9/22/04” I am saying that he dies in the crash. He CANNOT be portrayed as one of the 8 because of this date.