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i think so to it was the freighter people

+1. i agree that its the frieghter people, specifically keamy and omar. another thing that points to it being them imo is the scene in ‘meet kevin johnson’ where we see them with guns. just seems like that scene was a hint cos when mike says ‘i thought we were going on a rescue mission’, they laugh and dismiss him, because they are some of the few that know the real reason why they are there.

I think at this point the answer of who shot Rousseau and Karl could go either way.

When Ben sent the others to the temple he could have told the others to kill anyone who approaches the temple except for Alex. The order didn’t have to be given right before the shots were fired. Also, I would think that if the helicopter flew over the island to drop the mercs off it would have at least been heard by someone, if not seen.

Of course, it could have been the mercs from the freighter.

I guess we’ll find out next month.

No doubt about it Irocz, it is “the freighties” Even though it would appear Ben had motive, he would not put Alex in harms way, I believe. +1

This is the most cohesive theory on the matter to date IMHO. You make a good case it being the freighties. Plus one.

+1 I totally agree with everything you said. Once again, Iroc, great post.

It’s the freighter folk. Well written +1

Thanks all for the feedback. Good point belle about the gun shooting on the freighter. I forgot about that. It looked like they were practicing their sharpshooting.

Kavefish, you might be right on the helicopter theory. But I think we all need to think about how big this island actually is. If the helicopter came in from the other side of the island (where the Temple is) neither Locke’s camp or Jack’s camp would have seen or heard it.

Also, when Naomi came to the island, nobody at camp saw or heard the helicopter she came in on. Only those near it heard it. I think it was Des, Charlie, Hurley, and Sayid.

I agree with you that it’s the freighter people, but I have a big problem with you deeming the Others as non violent. They may as well all be black belts in karate, Ben shot John, they are ordered to kill Kate and Sawyer when they escape on that side island, and they kidnap pregnant women and children.

Now it may turn out that their violence is for some greater good, but they are by no means non violent and would kill Rousseau in a second if she stood between them and anything they want.

Reminder: I do believe the shooters are the freighter people.

I agree that it is the freighties who shot Karl and Rousseau. Especially since it was foreshadowed in Ben’s killing of Goodwin. He sent Alex, Karl and Rousseau straight into the Freighties’ path in order to (1) eliminate these competitors for his daughter’s affections and (2) get his pregnant daughter off the Island. He even told her exactly what to say if she was captured.

Well here’s my crazy little theory…the Others have turned on Ben while he’s been gone and that’s why they were willing to shoot at Alex.

Remember Juliet telling Jack that alot of the Others wanted Ben out of the picture? I don’t think that was just a Benipulation…it was true.

Also, remember Ben telling Locke that if his people wanted him back, they would have stormed the barracks by now?

Now, I don’t necessarily think my theory is true, but I thought I’d just throw it out there =)

Remember what Ban said to Locke and Jack at the breakfast table in the Hatch

: “If I was an ‘other’, I would have drawn a map to some secluded place where all of my buddies woudl be waiting to ambush your friends and capture them - then they could trade them for me - if I was an ‘other’. Good thing I’m not, eh?”

Prophetic words or coincidence

Nice connection there Stitch. However, if you are implying that it was the Others who shot K&R and captured Alex to trade for Ben, I have to disagree. I don’t think Locke will trade Ben for anyone, especially Alex whom he barely knows.

Vega, I do agree with you that the Others may have turned on Ben, but I still don’t think they have it in them to kill K&R. Remember, Karl used to be one of them. I don’t think there is enough leadership in that group for one of them to make a decision to start killing.

Im with you Irocz, although Vega and Stitch give very good arguments against. I think in this instance the clues are valid and all pointing to it being the freightees…+1

The way that Ben was looking at Karl’s hand on her waist…I wouldn’t be suprised if Karl getting shot was a plan created by him all along. The last thing he wants is a pregnant daughter, and we know he isn’t concerned about Karl’s well being at all. Ben seems to have his hand in everything…I think his calmness about the freighter people tell us that he’s not that worried about them, as he feels he still has control. Good theory regardless. =)

I’m leaning towards the shooters being Kearny and Omar. It took like 3 shots before they got a kill-shot on Karl. He was just sitting there! If I remember correctly Kearny missed a few of the clay ‘pigeons’….or at least used a full clip to hit one. Obviously he’s no ‘dead-eye’. Now does this work in Ben’s favor? I say yes. It’s a chess play. He eliminates 2 threats (Karl & Rousseau) but they now have his daughter. He knows what he’s doing.

Yes, and no one mentioned the “killshot” line Keamy said after shooting one of the clay targets.

And don’t forget, the Others killed over 40 of the Dharma Initiative in a mass murder gas attack.

That’s stretching the definition of non-violent.

Yep, I think you’ve pegged it Irocz28. Particuarly telling to me is the evidence of Alex having called out that, “I’m Ben’s daughter” or whatever she said instead of, “It’s Alex.”

[Note: I’m only about 2 weeks new to this site so I guess missed experiencing Trollism in its finest hour. I am grateful for my fortuitous escape … . it’s a pleasure to read and ponder the generally well written theories and comments on this site.]

+1 You cant be wrong! Although im not so sure that Ben didn’t expect somthing like this to happen. Knowing Ben like we do now, we can all expect it to be in his favour.

Alex doesn’t know who it is either so what she shouted doesn’t mean too much.

The Others went to The Temple but I don’t remember Ben giving anyone a key. I think The Temple is…a temple! The Dharma symbol on the map was The Orchid which is on the same site. If the Orchid is as important a station as we think, then there may be other Others already there to provide some leadership. I agree its the freightees though. Occaisionally it must actually be as obvious as it looks. +1

This ties in with that theory about miles’ request for 3.2 million dollars in week is a code. The part about the ‘in a week’ was the message that more people would be coming in a week and Locke said in 4.8 or 4.7 that miles’ request was about a week ago. check the theory by cheereyes titled ‘3.2 million dollars’ he says “when Miles says that Ben has one week to get the money, he is saying that more people are coming to the island in one week unless action is taken to prevent it.”

Very nice sheeple. you may be right.

Good post +1. I’m also of the opinion that the shooters were most likely from the Freighter people

On another note, was the ambush by the Freighter assasins exactly the set up that Karl thought it was? I can’t help but think that the Lost writers were giving us a strong clue with Karl’s last words.

To that effect, does anyone think that Ben was aware that the Freighter assasins were likely already on the island? If so,

(1) did Ben anticipate that they would find the traveling party and kill Rousseau and Karl but leave Alex unharmed (i.e. Ben suspects they already know of Alex and thus would not risk killing her but would keep her alive)?

Would he then use Alex’s abduction by the Freighter as a final straw in convincing the Losties to “team-up” with the Others?

(2) Less diabolically, does Ben genuinely think Rousseau would be able to protect Alex but hope that Karl gets the short end of the stick? If so, is this his method of (i) getting rid of Karl, whom he does not like; (ii) simultaneously convincing Alex to believe that the Other’s purpose is truly correct (maybe even convince her he is not a bad guy but was trying to help).

I think there are four points that bode in favor that Ben literally “set” this up:

(i) Ben has a spy on the boat. Michael should have definitely informed Ben if a helicopter full of armed mercenaries had left for the island. Thus, Ben should have been aware that the Freigther assasins were already roaming the island and should have known it wasn’t safe for them to leave (at least not with more manpower/firepower).

(ii) Ben provides Alex with the clue that is the key to her survival. Paraphrasing — “If they knew who you were, they would use you to get to me.” (hint: they won’t kill you). This knowledge is what allows Alex to escape Rousseau’s/Karl’s fate. This may have been a way to assure that Alex would survive even if the assasins didn’t know who she was.

(iii) Karl’s ruminations that Ben might be setting them up — to me, this is the writer’s clues to what’s going on.

(iv) Michael is on the freighter, so if Alex is brought back to the freighter, Ben knows she is still safe. This is only added to by the fact that Sayid and Des are on the boat as well.

I have to disagree with almost everyone on this post.

In my opinion, it was BEN who gave the order to kill both Danielle and Karl, but not to harm Alex. Ben hates both Danielle and Karl (you can see it in his eyes) and desperately wants control of Alex back. Ben is a control freak, pure and simple, and has the ability to get in touch with ANYONE he wants to anytime, either on or off the island.

Ben and company are killers and HE will do whatever is necessary to eliminate what he perceives as the competition. Remember, both Danielle and Karl were in direct competition with Ben for Alex’s affection. And don’t forget Goodwin who was in direct competition for Juliet’s affection?

lgs,

I agree with you. It’s Ben’s doing. Ambush, courtesy of Benjamin Linus. As Miles suggested; Ben Linus gets what he wants!

I doubt it alice. And I have never bought into this whole “Ben always gets what he wants” and “Ben always has an ace up his sleeve” stuff. What has Ben really done in the past couple weeks besides 1) Gotten the hell beat out of him by Jack 2) Gotten the hell beat out of him by Sawyer 3) Gotten dragged around like a mule with his hands tied up 4) Spend most of his time in a dark hole beneath Locke’s house 5) and had his daughter betray him.

Oh yeah, he was able to manipulate Locke into letting him out of the dungeon in exchange for the tape and information on his man on the boat.

Irocz, Allow me to point out something to you about men like Ben. Even when they appear to be at their most vulnerable, I would suggest to you, that it is all a part of their plan, which is played to proper advantage.

They have already strategized all of their moves to perfection! Even what appears to be a detour in the road, is used to further “the master plan”.

Ben is all that, IMO.

Going back to the comments about who could be the leader of the Others at the Temple…did we all forget about Jacob. If the Temple = the Orchid = the source of power on the island, then Jacob has to be associated with the place some how. “God loves you as he loved Jacob”…how could a guy referred to in such a manor not be associated with a place called the “Temple”

Yeah it was Ben -1… This theory will be debunked quite soon I think.

lol nice support for your argument what_now. If you are going to give something a -1 and say it will be debunked you might also want to leave a comment as to why you think this.

Or is this just your payback for me shooting down your last post???

Haha lrocz28…. i was just kiddin i didnt give this theory a -1… THAT was my payback!! lol … i actually agree with you on this, as stated in one of my theories ( which i will admit kinda suck.) I’m undergoing anger management therapy and have calmed down considerably… Your posts are really good and i do agree with alot of them, or at least they get me thinkin.

Dont worry dude! , no more problems from me.. HAHA

The quality of your theories is clearly receding. I’ve read some convincing arguments that ‘Ji Yeon’ was your swan song and I tend to agree. This last theory just plain stinks. Either 1) get some fresh ideas, 2) pick a better car name 3) get lost. -1 bro.

please ignore above comment…not the real blondegop_… just some troll pretending to be a real person.

wow blondegop_ ,,, me and lrocz28 have had our problems… but at least try to keep your criticisms to a constructive nature. By the way lrocz28 has many comments on his theories because they make people think about things from different angles.

You should at least try to come up with something on your own before bashing others!