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awesome!! never thought of it like that :)

As a further point, Sayid was originally booked for a different Oceanic flight that he delayed because he wanted to ensure his terrorist friend received a proper burial.

+1 From me. Like you, I don’t know if it’s significant but it is interesting.

fivestades, good thinking!! I never put that together, but you’re right. +1

I wonder why, though???

really good points im def giving it a +1

Excellent observation +1

I can’t really agree. Yes I agree that the six might not have planned to be on the flight but the same can be said of Eko, Anna Lucia, Shannon,Locke,Wendy who died on day 3….I think I see what you are saying, that fate was trying to stop them? Sorry if I misunderstood the theory.

I’ve been thinking along the same lines myself, but there are a lot of other people in the same situation. There’s all the people wtf has mentioned and also If Aaron wasn’t meant to be on the flight then surely neither was Claire.

Also I’ve been trying to tie it in to the fact that Frank Lapidus has had the opposite, he was meant to be on the flight but wasn’t.

I think fate’s involved in this somehow but not sure how. +1

+1. Great job putting that together….”don’t mistake coincidence for fate”

VERY interesting… +1

Five, That is quite an astute observation. I think you have made an interesting connection, which sounds plausible. I would like to see you expand on this in more detail, as it is worthy of further attention! +1

Next, could you please figure out who is on Jacob’s List! That is a list that annoys me to no end! Grrrrr LOL

That ties in with Tom’s “I don’t understand, Shepherd wasn’t even on Jacob’s list.” +1

Glad some of you agree. Can’t expand much more today about what it could mean………..it’s just something about hindrance at the airport.

Morbius, I’ve wondered about the Lapidus link too, I’ve had a few thoughts but nothing solid yet, hope you can work something out!

Dab lol, I’ll look into it.

Excellent observation dude!! +1 from me

ahhh +1 and maybe locke and clire are the 2 of the 8 who died abd the o6 tried to save them ect cos locke nearly didnt get on cos of the wheelchair thingy and claie was just there for aaron if you no wat i mean

Watch Further Instructions, especially Locke’s dream quest for supporting evidence.

good stuff +1

I agree, Locke and Claire shouldn’t have really been on the flight either. Locke with the wheelchair problem and if Claire had consulted a doctor they never would have allowed her to fly in her 9th month of pregnancy.

nice stuff. +1 good observations

Good Stuff…tell me more…

+1 ; )

wow that’s really brilliant!

the universe tried to coarse correct

If that is the case then Jack and the others go from “never supposed to be on the plane” to “never supposed to leave the island”. Don’t see how both can be true.

Great work. I bet u no one has ever thought of it like that but u made all the connections. +1

What about Charlie and his drugs? They should have been stopped from boarding the plane too.

myabe you are on to something good work.

Thats very observant. A good catch.

Shannon almost did not board because she wanted seats in first class.

The Oceanic 6 are…Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and…..Claire…not Aaron… I believe it’s Claire in the coffin…think about it…it’s quite clear… 1. Kate has Aaron…there is no way Claire would give up Aaron if she wasn’t dead… 2. Jack WOULD be the only one to go to her funeral…Sayid is off killing people for Ben, Hurley is in the loonybin, Kate is on trial and Sun is having her baby… 3. Jack would be most upset and affected by this for reasons we all know by now… 4. Both her parents are dead, no siblings other than…Jack… This also answers the true Oceanic 6 people…Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Sun and…Claire…not Aaron…because Aaron is known as Kate’s son…not as an Ocenic 6 survivor…not to mention Desmond’s vision of Aaron and Claire being rescued… My question now is…how did Claire die? Do the effects of the island kill the mothers if they leave? Because if it is indeed her in the coffin(I so believe it is, just makes sense) then she died off the island… How can Claire die off the island when Michael couldn’t…??? Did those injections that Ethan gave her have a reverse effect…??? Oy…we will be lost forever….aha… All comments welcome…

hey this is totally sweet

LostCloe,

I thin there are a couple of holes in your theory about Claire and Aaron… One is that on several occasions via trailers, and commercial voice overs, they’ve made it clear that Aaron is one of the six… However, I also recognize that that may not be entirely inclusive.

But your timeline on Kate is a little off… By the time Jack goes to the funeral, Kate’s trial is already over. Remember, Jack was at the trial with kate and it was pre-beard Jack. That episode of the trial everything was resolved. Kate was given a “deal” and Aaron was revealed as one of the six.

The Bearded Jack is at the funeral long after Kate’s trial, so her reasons for showing up are something other than the trial.

Just some observations. :)

LostCloe,

I also found a hole(s) in that theory. Jack said at the funeral that the person in the coffin is neither friend or family. Just a thought….

claire cannot be in the coffin. if you see when jack reads the small paper cutting he found on the plane, (if you pause the DVD) it refers to a “Man” found dead in downtown somewhere (los angeles or somewhere like that.) the funeral man at the service talking to jack, says “him” aswell if im right in remembering. (sorry if thats in my head!)

oh and I’m so proud of myself. When Kate says “He” will be waiting, i knew it would be her son, not a bloke e.g. Sawyer… but Aaron!

thats good!

+1 cos i like all the speculation from others here too xxx

doesn’t really fit in because in the future they feel they HAVE to go back, interesting though.

Fivestades, this is definitely an interesting observation which is clearly in line with the nature of the show, in which fate is a key parameter. However, this merely explains WHY they are the ones that get off the island (although it seems a bit far-fetched to state that they get off the island on the grounds that they were not supposed to be there). In my opinion the fundamental question concerning the oceanic six is HOW they are able to get off the island:

The oceanic six are Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and Aaron. So what is the common denominator of the oceanic six. Firstly, we need to remember what Faraday asked in ‘the constant’ having heard what happened to Desmond upon leaving the island. He asked if Desmond had recently been exposed to high levels of radiation or electromagnetism and the answer to this of course is that he had when the hatch imploded. I think it is safe to assume that Desmond was exposed to the highest level of electromagnetism as he turned the fail-safe, but I also strongly believe that the losties on the beach was exposed to said electromagnetism and that is why they are unable to get off the island as they have no constant.

So where were the oceanic six during the implotion of the hatch: Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sawyer were on the other side of the island with the others and hence at a safe distance from the electromagnetism. So Sawyer would also have been able to leave the island but as he says himself in ‘eggtown’, he has nothing to go back to and as Jack mentions in ‘something nice back home’ he therefore choses to stay on the island. Furthermore, this explanation gives a much more plausible reason for Hurley being there instead of Mrs. Klugh’s, which was that Hurley was brought there so that he could go back and tell everyone else never to come there (why show him where ‘there’ is in the first place?!?). Sayid, Sun and Jin were also on the other side of the island aboard the Elisabeth. Consequently, Jin would also have been able to leave the island but at the moment we can only assume that it will be revealed within the next four episodes why Jin chose not to/were not able to leave the island. This leaves Aaron who was obviously also on the beach with the rest of the losties. But bear in mind that Claire at the time of the implosion was injecting Aaron with the vaccines that Charlie gave her and these vaccines were a medicine presumably invented by the Dharma Initiative. This could be why Aaron is also able to leave the island and furthermore an explanation - which does not involve time-travelling - for the fact that the others are able to travel to and from the island.

So I think that it is very interesting that the ones that get off the island were the ones that were not supposed to be on the island but I think the real question is HOW they are able to get off the island and I have given my best answer to this question but would like to hear if anyone else have theoriezed on said question.

wow i never thought of it like that too.. but how to they know each other? they meet airport?.. they always say island in their future life…hurley gets crayz about that island :S confuised:S

How does something like this get a +35? It’s the 2nd highest rated theory for god’s sake!!! Seriously read back through this and answer the question if this is really the 2nd best theory you’ve ever heard about this show.

Nobody ever concluded that Claire’s Mom is dead. Plus I think if she had died since Claire’s been away then you would have seen her visiting Claire on that Island as her Mom was a pretty big guilt factor in her life and they would play that up like Jack’s Dad, Yemi, etc…..

Wow. +1

hmmm…

A lot of other people were on board flight 815 who didn’t want or intend to: Walt, Shannon, Claire, Locke, Sawyer, Rose… To some extend, most (if not all) survivors were on the plane not by their own choice. Except for Hurley.

I really like the idea of the oceanic 6 not meant to of originally gone on the flight and this is why they are they only people to leave the island. +1

I think you were smart to think of this theory…but, i think they all did board the plane. I think the writers just made them all late on the plane or made them almost not get on the plane so people might think of this. But, they showed each and everyone of the oceanic 6 getting on the plane, or already on the plane.

Locke’s famouse line is, “This isn’t sopposed to happen.” This might refer to that, the oceanic 6 are not soppose to be on the plane. But, we all know that Locke always tells jack that jack is not soppose to leave. If Locke knew that the oceanic 6 were not soppose to be on the plane, but I believe they were.

Right on! This seems like part of the game to me. There are two forces at work, one light and one dark. One of these forces was trying to prevent the O6 from getting on the plane, but the other force succeeded. Remember Claire telling Kate not to bring Aaron back to the Island. But Locke( Jeremy Bentham) and Ben both believe that Jacob wants all the O6 survivors back on the island. Just like Ben vs. Widmore, I believe there is Jacob vs. (a player yet to be revealed). And don’t just assume that Jacob is the “good guy”. Were the O6 suppose to be on the plane? “Fate is a fickled bitch.”

A big +++. Wouldn’t have picked that one up. A big shout-out to the Aussie version of TSA. Good call.

I see two course corrections: 1) Getting the O6 onto the flight in the first place. 2) Getting the O6 back to the island after they are rescued.

PS— I think the electromagnetism theory is a more plausible theory about “why these 6” then the “held up at the airport” theory.

But I still see two course corrections…

I like your idea.. I have something to add… maybe the not being about to get on the plane is sybolic of their lack of faith in the island still….. i believe that everyone is being replaced again… like they used to be their way back and now the island is collection its people again.

but their faith needs to be strong to believe and once they realise thats where they need to be then they will be allowed back

i also think smokie is from bens mind and he draws what he wants it to do

So the Island has let the Six go because they wernt meant to be there in the first place? This sounds reasonable. But the question now is why wre Desmond and Frank able to leave? Maybe they have a purpose off the island. +1

Oceanic 6 all have a reason not to be on the flight: Jack-Coffin argument, nearly couldnt board Kate-Prisoner, turned in, was not booked to fly Sayid-rebooked flight around friends funeral plans Sun-almost turned around and left jin Aaron-was not born, flied in tummy:) Hurley-almost missed flight, begged flight attendant But then so did lots of people: Locke-walkabout trip was cancelled Bernard&Rose-rose did not want to be in australia Claire-asked to fly by pshycic Artz-was stood up at his date and booked early flight home Sawyer-killed wrong man, spend extra time in australia drinking Ana Lucia-left australia after trip cut short with christian gone missing Shannon&Boone-left quickly after boone realises shannons tactic Seth Norris-was not meant to be on plane, frank lapidus was Jin-was escaping employer and shouldnt of been on the plane Michael-takes custody of walt, shouldnt of had to be there Walt-would of stayed in australia if mother hadnt died Nikki&Paulo-steal diamonds illegally Eko-illegal passport it just shows you can think of a reason for anybody not to get on the plane, even if a few of these arent water tight, it kinda blows ur theory, but makes a larger one that ALL the survivors wernt surpose to be on 815. +1 for good thought and gen article:D

A few of the comments mention that my theory could apply to all of the flight 815 survivors.

Just to clarify……………..The Oceanic Six were the only 6 that had problems and were delayed at the airport.

E.G one team, lets call it team Linus, was trying to stop that 6 (or 5 minus aaron) from boarding the plane, another team, team Abaddon succeeded in ensuring the 6 boarded.

Very astute observation!!! (Part One)

Who is and who isn’t ~supposed~ to be on The Island aside, it appears to me that this could be comfortably settled into the Fate Theories category due to the “supernatural” aspects of this situation, if not the psychological ones.

The O.6 appear to be the characters who seem to be having the most trouble with accepting/avoiding their own individual fates, whether one can create/manipulate one’s own fate or not. To support this thread’s theory: “supernaturally,” when one experiences difficulty achieving a goal, one is prompted to reconsider the goal and or the path taken to achieve the goal.

Hurley is very busy avoiding lots of his personal issues, even deeper than the death of the individual who died after he stepped out onto the doc/platform that drove him to Santa Rosa in the first place.

Sun is running away from her issues with her father, which sets her up to get to the airport.

Jack’s whole Family of Origin is dealing with (or not) denial set up via his father’s alcoholism.

Poor Sayid is really messed up over his “torturous” role in the Gulf War and Nadia. He’s already lost, before he even gets to The Island.

Kate is the epitome of running from her fate by running from the consequences of her actions, let alone the law.

And, poor little Aaron has no choice in the matter at all, but is the true victim of circumstances here. While his mother is just as much a victim of Tom running out on his responsibilities and the parental fate that he and Claire created by conceiving a child, Claire is still avoiding her responsibility to care for and raise her child. So, though Aaron really wasn’t even given the opportunity to realize his fate yet, he still represents the “running from Fate” symbolism here.

Very astute observation!!! (Part Two)

Now. Having said all that, it is blatantly obvious that very nearly ~all~ the passengers of flight 815 have some issue they are avoiding dealing with. It may just be that these six individuals, being main characters, simply emphasize the theme of “Avoiding Fate.”

Re: Jacob’ List: Lists is a common theme throughout the entire series. Lostpedia has quite an extensive section on the subject including theories.

Re: Aaron ~vs~ Claire as one of “The Oceanic Six”: in the scene, viewed in a number of episodes, over two seasons (I think), the O.6 are seated in a cargo plane, when an Oceanic representative enters the hold and informs those survivors seated there that they are being referred to as “The Oceanic Six.” Claire is not among them. Aaron is.

Re: “they feel like they HAVE to go back: people change. Jack was the #1 Get Off The Island Fan. Now, he’ll do ~anything~ to get back.

Re: “This isn’t supposed to happen”: This refers to John wrestling with his purpose on The Island. He’s not even clear on if it’s about The Hatch or Jack’s retaliation against The Others or His own Life’s purpose.

Very astute observation!!! (Part Three)

Re: “never supposed to be on the plane” to “never supposed to leave the island”: we are taking some dangerous steps towards the Time Continuum theories. If they were never supposed to be on the plane, they never would have ~been~ there to “never supposed to leave the island.” This observation needs more research and clarification.

Re: HOW those who get off The Island actually make it off The Island: O my goodness! This is a question that deserves its own thread. It brings up way too many other questions like, How do dead people come back to life on The Island? Who gets to come back to life and why? Who is attempting to control who gets or who doesn’t get to The Island and how they get there? So, much more time and research is needed to even think about approaching this topic.

As a side note, The Hatch “ex”plodded. The hatch door blew so far up into the air that it took a considerable amount of time to pass, before it fell out the sky, back onto The Island. And, NO, I don’t want to launch into the time delay issues with this occurrence.

To address the hypothesis regarding the O.6’s exposure to the electromagnetic burst, though, the point that you make about the varying degrees of exposure debunks your theory. Desmond was right on top of the vault, so obviously he got the ultimate exposure and effect, which is why he’s the one bouncing around in time. But, the O.6, themselves, were in far too divergent locals to be affected at all. Even Charlie, who was still inside the Swan station when the electromagnetic burst occurred, didn’t start shifting through time at all, let alone like Desmond did. How about Desmond was blown so far up into the atmosphere, just like the distance from The Island that the freighter takes to avoid the entire crew “getting sick” that he exceeded the distance that qualifies as “off The Island.”

Re: Claire seeing her dead mother: This is another topic that deserves its own thread. On the one hand, “only ~special~ people see dead people on The Island.” On the other hand, Jack’s not on the list. On another hand, are the “dead people” really ghosts? Kate touched her horse. Hurley interacted with his imaginary friend. Christian moves bushes when he walks, he doesn’t move through them.

Re: Having a reason to get off The Island: This is a very interesting comment in that it opens more doors to new theories, including the theory regarding needing to strengthen their Faith. It also requires much more time and research to consider, before properly responding.

Very well observed! It got me thinking… maybe those 6 were the ones who REALLY had to be on that flight.

I like it. +1. Just to add, think about what has happened to some other people who almost did not get on that flight. Claire-assumed dead. Jin-possibly dead, but definitely in deep, Eko-dead by black smoke, pilot (remember he was supposed to be the pilot)-dead by black smoke. Locke-apparently dead.

I think its the other way round. without the help of the island they would have lost the flight!

i like that! it makes sense too. the people who weren’t supposed to be on the flight, (or even born yet) were the only ones to leave the island.

Good catch!! Love the intrigue and questions raised by your post!!