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If Widmore was behind the staged plane, why does his own crew think that it was Ben Linus?

— Irocz28

There are many fingers being pointed in many directions in regards to how the staged plane landed at the bottom of the ocean. I think we have the answer now based on Tom’s proof that he provided Michael. I am assuming that the purchase order, shipping logs, and photos of dug up graves are valid and are proof that Widmore is behind this.

However, I feel people are being manipulated in this whole process. This somewhat stems off my previous theory that Captain Gault is working for Ben. See this for more on that theory:

http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2008/mar/21/captain-and-michael/

Ben and Tom: They both obviously know that Widmore planted the plane. Tom got his orders from Ben, and Tom showed Michael the purchase orders and shipping logs for the staged incident. Tom also said that “the whole mess was dropped down a trench deep enough to guarantee that no remains are ever gonna be identified.”

Captain Gault: Remember the conversation that Sayid and Desmond had with him when they first met. He indicated that Ben Linus was behind the staged plane. Also, when he showed Sayid and Des the black box from 815 he said that “it took a considerable amount of Mr. Widmore’s resources to procure it”. If he was working for Widmore, wouldn’t he know that it actually was Widmore who planted the plane, not Ben?

Frank: He thought on his own that the plane was a fake when he saw the footage of the pilot down there. He told Michael that the plane they found at the bottom of the trench was a fake. He also told Michael “the owner of this boat believes me. Charles Widmore. He believes that 815 is still out there somewhere.”

My Questions are these:

1) If Widmore was behind the staged plane, why does his own crew (Gault and Frank) think that it was Ben Linus? Is he manipulating them too?

I think Widmore believes he is successfully manipulating the crew. What he does not know is that Captain Gault is secretly working for Ben. When Michael slips the note “don’t trust the captain” it is because he knows Gault will tell them Ben was behind the staging. But Michael knows (through Toms evidence) that is was actually Widmore.

2) Why does Frank say “the owner of this boat (Widmore) thinks 815 is still out there”? Obviously Widmore KNOWS 815 is still out there if he planted a fake plane at the bottom of the ocean so everyone thinks that is the real one. The crew of the boat does not know Widmore was behind the staged plane.

Frank thinks that it was Ben who was behind the staging of the plane. He is actually just searching for the truth about 815 and his pilot friend. This is why he becomes so emotional when he hears Julliettes name. He knows if there is someone on the island besides an 815er then Ben must be close.

3) How did Widmore come to realize that 815 did in fact crash on the island? What information prompted him to plant the fake plane? Did Widmore have a source on the island?

I think the person Widmore was beating up in that video was the one who leaked the information on the island and that the real 815 crashed there. He also told him information on a crippled man who could walk, problems with child birth, possible fountain of youth (Richard), and all the other island secrets, along with how to come and go to the island. Once Widmore heard this he planted the fake plane. Widmore initially became somewhat curious of the island a long time ago, from the Blackrock information he bought at the auction.

Key characters

Short Name Full Name Episodes Theories
Aaron Aaron Littleton 363

Key episodes

# Title Aired Central character Theories
1.7 The Moth 11-3-2004 Charlie, Liam 94

Key events

Theme Relevant Episodes Theories
Revealing of the blast door map 2.17 136

Key locations

Theme Relevant Episodes Theories
Pala Ferry Pier 2.21, 2.23, 3.2 160

Comments

  1. Nickee Mar 22, 2008 5 p.m. Comment: 1

    I love this theory. +1. I have a question though. Is it also possible that Tom has all of the evidence shown to Michael BC Ben made the purchases and faked the crash instead? Just a thought. Great theory!

  2. marzol33333 Mar 22, 2008 5:03 p.m. Comment: 2

    Captain Gault: Remember the conversation that Sayid and Desmond had with him when they first met. He indicated that Ben Linus was behind the staged plane. Also, when he showed Sayid and Des the balck box from 815 he said that “it took a considerable amount of Mr. Widmore’s resources to procure it”. If he was working for Widmore, wouldn’t he know that it actually was Widmore who planted the plane, not Ben?”

    Nice points,but if we take it that the captain does work for Widmore, and assuming that Ben is telling the truth about the freighter people being ordered to kill the losties,why would he tell sayid and desmond the truth? He could be lying?

  3. Irocz28 Mar 22, 2008 5:12 p.m. Comment: 3

    Nickee, good point. But for the sake of argument, I am just assuming that the information was valid and that Widmore did stage the crash.

    Marzol, he is lying about Ben planting the plane. We know now that it was Widmore after the evidence Tom provided.

  4. Lost_in_Arizona Mar 22, 2008 5:12 p.m. Comment: 4

    I can’t help but still believe that Ben planted the fake plane. He does not want anyone to find HIS island and would go to any lengths to protect it. Obviously he has loads of cash readily available as well. Probably wrong…but just my gut feeling. And just a sidenote….wouldn’t they have need 325 bodies - not 324. They would need to toss one into a coffin to be Jack’s dad.

  5. Irocz28 Mar 22, 2008 5:20 p.m. Comment: 5

    Lost in Arizona, how do you figure that he has loads of cash available? Are you referring to the $3.2 Million Miles asked for? He is probably not asking for cash. It may be a code for the coordinates off the island (325) or dead bodies (325) as you noted above.

  6. marzol33333 Mar 22, 2008 6:30 p.m. Comment: 6

    Ok,but why do you then say “wouldn’t he know that it actually was Widmore who planted the plane, not Ben?” Why do you assume that he does not know? sorry,maybe my previous post was unclear

  7. morbius Mar 22, 2008 6:52 p.m. Comment: 7

    I dont think either of them faked it. When Faraday was watching the news in 4.2 Presumed Dead, it said the plane was found in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Bali. I cant see any reason why anyone would fake a crash 3 to 4 thousand miles in the wrong direction, the authorities would be all over it like a rash.

    I think they each want people to think it was the other, but both know it wasn’t, and the documents were faked.

  8. Irocz28 Mar 22, 2008 7:22 p.m. Comment: 8

    Sorry for the confusion marzol. i’ll try to explain. I think Gault is working for Ben, but he is lying to Sayid and Desmond saying Ben planted the boat. He has to blame it on someone and it can’t be Widmore. That wouldn’t go over too well with Sayid and Des as they are on Widmore’s “rescue boat”. They would think “Why would the owner of our so-called rescue boat be planting fake 815 planes?”

  9. lockeko Mar 22, 2008 11:50 p.m. Comment: 9

    I wonder how Des will react to Michael’s assertion that Widmore is after them