A Question to spark discussion…..
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By TheThinker
- A Question to spark discussion…..
- Created: Jul 24, 2008
- Last updated: Aug 14, 2008
- After episode: 4.13: There’s No Place Like Home, Parts 2 & 3
- Status: Current
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There were a lot of people on flight 815 when it took off….
ProfOzone got me thinking about this one, so it’s a feed off of a post from him…. Quite a few people survived the initial crash… more than would normally survive a crash where the plane breaks apart and explodes, splitting into two pieces and crashing to earth in two different places….
So many that I’m starting to suspect, that maybe everyone on the plane was handpicked by Widmore to be there, and they were ALL supposed to survive….
But obviously they didn’t… which poses the question… If far more people died than was originally intended… does that change why they were on the island… is there a specific job they are there to complete and can they still complete that job….
Which makes me think that NO, they could not… which is why Widmore sent the boat, with more people on board that are maybe supposed to fill some of those empty slots…..
Comment away… it early, these are my ramblings. :)
Key characters
| Short Name | Full Name | Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|
| Charles | Charles Widmore | 406 |
Key episodes
| # | Title | Aired | Central character | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1.1 | Pilot, Part 1 | 9-24-2004 | Jack | 363 |
Key events
| Theme | Relevant Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|
| Oceanic Flight 815 crashes | 1.1 | 582 |
I don’t know if you have noticed mate, but as long as the show goes, many terms concerning star wars have popped up from time to time (Sawyer calling Hurley Jabba, Sawyer again calling Ben “Yoda”, the raft where Sawyer has a kind of “Jedi” Style and Jin talks in Korea (uses the term Chewy for Chewbacca)… now if you apply that, think about the possibility that it is perhaps someone else who manipulates Widmore… like the Master Sith in star Wars… “the man behind the curtain”?
finally, Ben says in season 2 and 4 to Michael “we are the good guys…”
Locke (in the pilot):”two players, two sides… the one is light… the one is dark”
is Ben really the leader (or the padawane getting upset - switching to the other side - because juliet doesn’t want to love him… the chosen one?)
I’m confused…. Did I mention Star Wars?
nope! but think about the possibility that it is not perhaps Widmore the current person trying to locate the island…
I don’t know if they were all supposed to survive, because that would seem like a lot of “cooks” for the “pot”. But, I could see someone, (Widmore, Ben, Richard…) putting the people they wanted to survive on the plane, and mixing them with “expendable people”. Maybe the people who died on the island weren’t ment to survive the plane crash and it was the island’s way of balancing everything out?
I guess I don’t tend to think that everyone on the plane was hand-picked, but many of them might have been. One of the biggest problems with early theories that the plane was loaded with hand-picked people for the island was the delivery method. I mean, who would go to the trouble of getting a significant number of people on a particular plane only to leave up to chance who survived a plane crash (that nobody should have survived at all)? But now with the idea that the island can miraculously save people it wants or needs, the idea that a certain number of specific people were steered onto the plane makes more sense.
Maybe the question that’s most important is… what does the island want?
My reasoning was that it was a certain number of people’s destiny to crash onto the island and Widmore knew this. He did not know the location of the island and he needed some of the passengers of flight 815 to crash land on the island to help him find it.
When they did crash and he was able to find the island they were then expendable so he sent the mercenaries from his freighter to, as Ben put it: “Kill every living thing on the island”
ok! what if I tell you that the Black Guy (I don’t know his name) who appears in Season 4 is important. he’s the one who has chosen two epople to get to the island. first, he convinced Locke to go on a walkabout. (real passenger of 815) second, Claire goes to see a psychic. he tells him that he knows good people for her baby. she refuses. but he starts calling her. now, what if the black rewarded the psychic by saving his daughter (see Flashback when Eko investigates on a likely miracle in Australia - the psychic’s daughter). the psychic convinced Claire to go… like the island, this person can heal people…
take a look at the rest of the 815 passengers: Jack was stuck at the airport because of his coffin, Hurley was terribly late, Sayid took another plane… they weren’t supposed to get on board… or at least not now?
see my theory guys!!
Or maybe they WERE supposed to get on the island, and some force was trying to prevent them from getting on the plane? Maybe “it” knew that “it’s” plan would not work if certain people got to the island? (It can be the missing link, Ben, Richard, Windamore, the Island itself…)
do some research and actually watch the show before posting thanks
mrstutorial , why the negative comment? this post didn’t require any research. it was just a friendly discussion.
I think that Jacob carefully chose all of the main survivors, made sure they wouldn’t die until the time was right (because he controls the island). And they are to become a new breed of others. They’re living in the Others’ place. They’re defending the island. They’re defending Ben. They’re taking orders from Jacob through Locke.
I don’t think Widmore controls anything on the island or has any special powers. I’ve never seen any evidence of this. If he does, why does he send Rambo to forcibly take control of the island? I don’t think he knew where the island was until the electromagnetic explosion in the season 2 finale. If he did, why wasn’t he there before?
eversor: I think one thing folks are using as evidence (including me) is the fact that Abaddon encouraged John to go on the walkabout, suggesting that Widmore knew about John and flight 815 some time before (perhaps years before) flight 815 took off from Australia. Now, Abaddon could have been working independently of Widmore at that time, but if he was Widmore’s agent when he did that… isn’t that suggestive of Widmore having very exceptional knowledge about things?
Penny didn’t know where the island was until the EM event. But we don’t yet know how Widmore found the island. He could have known where it was already. Maybe he tracked Desmond there before sending flight 815. Why not go there himself once he knew where it was? Well, I suppose he wanted to unseat Ben before he arrived. Send the pawns in first, as they say.
There are many unanswered questions, really.
LOL!!! I just read MrsTutorial’s post….. she said to actually watch the show before posting…. that is so funny.
Mrs… Rather than knock my post down…. It would make you a bigger person to admit that YOU didn’t understand it. Because I assure you, that I have watched the show and there are plenty of people on this site alone that can vouch for that….
Not to drop names, but ProfOzone knows for a fact! I would say that he and I know more than anyone… so kindly, skip the rude comments, this a friendly site, S’Alright?
Besides, it was a question, not a theory… and if you can explain how a question is wrong…. …. well, lets just leave it at that… explain, then talk to me.
Ooooopsss… I think I need to be the bigger person here…. And apologize to the Mrs…. She may not have been talking to me… could have been a comment, not necessarily the post itself….
I’ve been drinking a little… probably shouldn’t be manning the keyboard right now….. carry on all, don’t mind me.
Hasn’t anyone ever thought that, knowing that 815 was inbound, those in control of the island used the mysterious properties of the island to teleport the “chosen” individuals off of the plane as it broke up? I mean, teleportation has occurred on the island, and Jack ends up nearly unscathed in the middle of the jungle.
I’m thinking there was a very small number of people teleported from the plane as it broke apart - probably not a precision device, so I’d say they used a “shotgun effect” on the midsection to get the person or people they really wanted. They didn’t expect, and maybe didn’t want, the tailies to survive. Ever wonder why almost all of the tailies have been killed off?
I said a long time ago that Cindy drugged Jack with the vodka so he could be safely transported to the island but it got debunked. I still like the idea though