Many, many answers…..
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By magnisx
- Many, many answers…..
- Created: Feb 29, 2008
- Last updated: Aug 14, 2008
- After episode: 2.22: Three Minutes
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Okay. I have read some other posts and taken in some theories from other people, and added them and some of my own together to create a scenario that makes perfect sense. I don’t think anyone has beat me to his, but if they have, my apologies.
The time jumping is the key to everything! Why wasn’t Sayid affected like Desmond? I have two theories, but the more likely one is because Desmond was at ‘ground zero’ when the hatch blew. In fact right after that he was already jumping, then things seemed to settle down, although he still got flashes of the future.
But then you think, the hatch was awful close to the beach camp, and it was a big explosion, and the beach people saw the purple sky. But Sayid was not on the beach at the time, he was on the boat with Sun and Jin on the other side of the island, so perhaps he was far enough away to not get affected. That means Sun and Jin should be okay. Also, Hurley, Sawyer, Jack and Kate were taken prisoner by the others on the other side of the island. That’s 7 people that may not have been affected, 4 of which we know are the oceanic six.
So, we can assume the other 2 of the six are either Sun, Jin or Sawyer, assuming they are not counting Aaron as one of the 6. Which one stays behind or dies is not too important at this point.
This could mean, that since everyone else was too close to the blast that they cannot leave the island or they will die, as we saw with the other guy in the infirmary.
In the flash forwards, Jack and Hurley show great guilt over leaving the island. If they left everyone else there becuase they would die if they left, this could explain this. They would have had to lie to protect them, otherwise nobody would believe their ridiculous story and rescue operations would be launched which would result in more deaths by the survivors AND the rescue people. So they lie to protect everyone, but the guilt at leaving them becomes too much.
Aaron, a baby, perhaps was spared because he really had no past to jump to, Claire, not able to leave, gives him to Kate so he can live a normal live in the real world. jack can’t face Aaron because it reminds him of the people he abandoned.
In one episode, Alex asks Ben to let the survivors go. He says to her that he can’t. Not that he won’t, but that he can’t, as if he had no choice. Ben knows what is going on. He knows they will die if he let’s them leave.
Sayid in the future is working for Ben, Sayid knows that he has to keep people from the island or his friends will die. So he starts taking out threats to them and eliminates them working with Ben.
The flash forwards started at the end of last season. It may be possible that the flash backs and forwards are not what they seem, and they are actually the characters jumping back as Desmond did, but because they are still on the island the memories are not completely jumping with them. This leads to the idea that at the end of season 3 something occured to start the flashforwards….or are they the present and they are flashing back to the past on the island?
There is a lot of proof to confirm this theory, and it neatly ties everything together.
Further to that, it is almost obvious that someone or something somehow manipulated almost everyone on the plane to be on that plane and thus onto the island. Someone who could exert control over the jumping could easily set all these events in motion, as they would know what was coming. Christian?
Ben seems likely to be able to control the jumping to. This would help explain his rapid off island trips. using the time issue on the island with the jumping perhaps he could be in two places at once?
Key characters
| Short Name | Full Name | Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|
| Desmond | Desmond David Hume | 2.23, 3.17, 4.5 | 851 |
Key events
| Theme | Relevant Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|
| Jack, Kate, and Sawyer captured | 2.23, 3.1 | 203 |
| Oceanic Flight 815 crashes | 1.1 | 582 |
Key locations
| Theme | Relevant Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|
| Midsection Beach (original camp) | 1.2, 1.3, 1.1, 1.5, 1.4, 1.6 | 313 |
| The Swan station | 2.20, 2.23, 2.14, 2.17, 2.1, 2.2, 1.11, 3.3, 3.8 | 461 |
You lost me a bit at the end, but I think your first 7 or 8 paragraphs here make a ton of sense.
very interesting theory!!
I don’t think Sun and Jin would split, so it may very well be that Sawyer and Aaron are the last 2 of the 6. Although I do wonder what Jack means to do if he gets back. I mean, it would be one thing to get back with a sub, thereby avoiding the ‘time storm.’ But he’s hoping another plain will crash. He still would have no way of saving the losties.
I don’t know exactly how well this works, but maybe Jack has jumped into himself the moment he wakes up on the Island (back in the pilot). I know alot of people have had theories about how he seems to know what to do and takes charge. This could give credence to those theorists.
I really like your idea that the Oceanic 6 were the 6 people furthest from the Hatch explosion. The helicopter did have to fly through an electromagnetic lightning storm in order to reach the freighter. Its almost as if the island were surrounded by something similar to the sonic fence that protects the barracks from Smokey. If those who were exposed to the Hatch explosion cross through the electromagnetic storm that surrounds the island, then the “flashtime” disease will be triggered and they will all start to die.
I agree with In The Year that the beginning of your theory is much better than the end, but overall a +1 from me.
Good theory, however, didn’t Jack get exposed to electromagnetism, when the hatch exploded. Jack is one of the Oceanic 6. So, in correlation to your theory, this means Jack would have died if he got off the island. +1
“The flash forwards started at the end of last season. It may be possible that the flash backs and forwards are not what they seem, and they are actually the characters jumping back as Desmond did” I think u have something here , which no one thought of before..brilliant. +1
Maybe that is why Ben tries to hide the truth because too many people knowing the truth would be chaos, meaning too many people manipulating and trying to change time to their benefit..he is trying to minimize this.
jbayo, you must have missed the part where magnisx stated how jack, hurley, sawyer, and kate were prisoners on the other side of the island. The theory assumes that the distance between them and the hatch diluted the amount of radiation they were exposed to during the explosion.
“Good theory, however, didn’t Jack get exposed to electromagnetism, when the hatch exploded. Jack is one of the Oceanic 6. So, in correlation to your theory, this means Jack would have died if he got off the island”
Not so. If you remember, Jack was with Kate, Hurley and Sawyer when Micheal took them to the other side of the island….
This sounds like where the show is going. Great job! +1
Great theories!!! But I was thinking that if everyone were jumping back and forth, wouldn’t they need (as Faraday told us) a constant? It seems that when they landed on the island they became pretty disoriented and did not encounter anything familiar. UNLESS… they did! Maybe this explains why we see characters from the characters’ flashbacks on the island: Hurley’s friend Dave, Jack’s father, Jin has his fishing, for Sun it would be Jin, even Ben looks a lot like Claire’s old boyfriend. Maybe they are all constants??
Maybe ..and this is a huge maybe…all these flashbacks that each character focuses within their psyches is their constant, because thats what seems to occupy their subconscious and conscious thought. For Desmond its Penelope, Jack his father, Sayid the woman he rescued (she appears everywhere), and so forth. The constants are what mostly occupies their conscious and subconscious minds, in effect makes up who they were, are and who they will be. The reason why Desmond is Daniel faradays constant is because he effectvely proved his theory and in all actuallity is the only one who knows that what he predicted is right, as opposing to his other oxford colleagues who think of it as preposterous. Another words Desmond is his constant because he is the most imporatant person in his lifes work.
First of all, Blondegogo, I don’t think there is an electromagnetic ‘storm’, I think it is a field that surround the island in a sphere.
Jraff, I think the rest are like Desmonds first jumps after the Hatch blew. He did not have the problems he has now, they were more subtle. Also, if the memories are not completely coming through in the ‘lighter’ jumps it would probably make a difference.
I also realized that we have PROOF that people are jumping, and that they can control it, at least to some extent. Think back to Desmond’s first jump after the explosion. He met that lady who knew exactly what he was ‘supposed’ to do. The question is, who was she and who was she working for?
this is brilliant. I’ve always wondered how and why all of the characters on the island intertwined back in the real world, and I think the answer is that they are all each other’s constants. You can think of a character and they have a link on the island with someone else. They are all each other’s “constant,” it’s freaking genius.
Jack becomes Claire’s constant because he’s the only family she has. Locke’s constant would be his dad, and since he killed his dad ont he island he cna’t go back (and this is why he refuses to leave the island) Bernard and Rose have each other Sawyer’s constant is going to be his daughter, I’m sure of that Jina nd Sun also have each other Would Jack’s constant be his ex-wife, his dad?
Trying to think of others for everyone on the island. Wow, what a great post. Is there anyway we could get a chart together of everyone’s flashbacks and figure otu if they’ve got a constant? I think that would be spectacular.
Already mentioned that b_shaughn, but funny how we both thought of it, I think they all have a constant (well at least the people who survived.
It’s possible! I’m sure there’s some sort of chart on Lostpedia. But regarding Claire, I don’t think Jack could be her constant because wouldn’t it have to be someone she knew in the past AND future? Unless she met Jack in the past and we haven’t seen it yet.
+1 for this. I totally agree with the first half, it makes alot of stuff make sense all the sudden. However, just my personal opinion, i really don’t think that flash backs and forwards are them jumping, jsut a cleverway to get lots of different stuff into one episode as opposed to following chronolgical order. Also, if they stayed on the island, wouldn’t they not experience those symptoms? Here’s what i tihnk: The physicist has figured out that anyone close to the blast is going to have those symptoms if they leave so he tells them they can’t, then discovers that the oceanic 6 were far enough way that they can leave. I could be wrong but that’s what i tihnk anyway
just had another thought immediately after: alot of people have been suggesting some strange properties to the weird rocks in the center of the island, perhaps they were enough of a shield that people on the other side of the island weren’t affected by the blast (a.k.a. all the people you suggested)
I’ve just noticed something that has fairly important, but I just can’t see where it fits.
We all know that Desmond jumped this week. But we have been looking at it wrong. Previously he jumped back to the past and came back to the present. This is not happening here.
As soon as he entered the storm he woke up in the army barracks, then he jumped back to the helicopter. The big difference this time is that he had no memory of anything after the barrack scene. This can only mean one of two things, a) he lost 8 years of memory or b) and more likely he is not jumping back, he is being pulled forward from the past.
But I get lost here. If he is getting pulled forward what happened to the 2004 Desmond? He seems to be completely gone. His future jump tells him what to do in the past to save his future, but present Desmond is still gone. At some point he had to go back and complete the cycle to come back to the island. But if that is the case, he would remember this…?
It’s feasible that present Desmond is thrust back to his past after past Desmond anchors in the present, but that would mean that he lives those 8 years over again in an endless cycle, so that doesn’t work.
There is an important key in his 8 year memory loss….I just can’t put my finger on it, so I am hoping you guys can help put this puzzle together.
oh, btw…sorry blondegop….LOL that made me laugh though!
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Nice one Mag. +1. I never thought about how each of the Oceanic 6 were away from the hatch explosion. This could be exactly the reason why they are left off the island.
Oh my gosh you’re right mag! That’s genius. He definitely is being pulled forward. Or else why wouldn’t he remember Sayid or where Penny lived?
But what about Faraday? He DOES remember the past. Maybe it’s different when you’re leaving the island as when you are entering? Or maybe it’s because he took such copius notes, and uses those to remind himself of the past?
I like this theory a lot, minus the flashback/flashforward thing. I’ve never thought those were tied into the puzzle…just a plot device for the show. Great observation! +1
Great observations. +1
what about the dogs?