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Money makes no sense to anyone on the Island and this is really the first time money is discussed on the island. Apart from Sawyer saying “your money is no good here” or Hurley winning the lottery off the island. I think you have something here…. +1

Miles is perfecting a code with Ben, they do know eachother from previous meetings. Miles alerts Ben that Catherine is in danger.

also read http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2008/feb/20/my-time-loop-theory/

The number is most certainly important and I like your thoughts on the Code = The Bearing. Even if he wasn’t locked in a basement how can Ben get Miles money on the island? And MORE importantly how would Miles get it OFF the island with the people on the frieghter knowing?

great observation cheers…

this is why miles is so intent on meeting with ben… there’s obviously some time-rame to which something has to be done… good job

+1

So what is the possibility that Miles is Ben’s spy?

This is a perfect theory- why? Because in the season 2 finale, Ben tells Michael to follow a bearing of 325 degrees if Michael wants to be rescued. This proves your theory to be perfect. Good job!!

Omigosh, this would make perfect sense! I really like this theory. Ooh and great catch, newschool… I forgot about that bearing.

WOW I was just about to say plausible but I’m not buying it, and then newschool’s observation of 325 degrees, wow this might be it! +1

I love it. Nice work. +1

Nice! You get a scooby snack……..+1

I’m still trying to work out the implications - if Miles is sending him code are the freight people actually on Ben’s side? Miles is secretly on Ben’s side? If so, how does Miles know about him?

I love how you caught that, but what it all means troubles me.

I think your theory makes a lot of sense. I actually joined this site because I wanted to give you a +1. Nice thinking!

Just to add: I suggest that Ben didn’t know who the inside man was. I think Miles may have first contacted Ben and kept his identity secret to protect himself. That’s why the first few questions were asked. “Do you know who I am? Do you know who I work for?” I think these questions were a way for Miles to reveal himself to Ben. Because if not, wouldn’t Ben know who he is already? And he never answered the Losties who his guy was, probably because he didn’t know himself. They are benefitting each other some how (which hasn’t been revealed). Awesome work though cheer. +1

Who is catherine? I love this. +1

+1 on the code theory.

As far as 325 or 320 being a compass bearing…if that’s the bearing to get off the island to the freighter, than the opposite bearing would be used to get to the island FROM the freighter. So from the freighter it would be around the 140’s to get to the island.

newschool i cant belive u thought of that woow 2 thumbs up for newschool

Does this mean its not Michael or someone like that? +1 how does Ben know ‘code’ language?

I think this means that Michael is Ben’s “guy” on that ship and since Michael knew the 325 bearing (see season 2 finale), he told Miles- however , i’m not sure y’d Miles would find it necessary to speak in code though…maybe b/c Kate was listening? any ideas??

yep this is a good theory for the status quo.

Good theory.

Thank you for all of your comments! I do believe that the code was used because Kate was there and would not leave Miles and Ben alone. I also agree with some of you who said that Ben did not know that Miles was his insider. I also wonder if Miles is not the contact that Ben referred to but instead is being used by the contact to relay information to Ben while the insider stays on the ship. We have already seen that our rescuers use code language, “tell my sister that I love her” for example. Ben also seems to know a lot about the rescue team so it would make sense that he would use their ‘language’ and speak in code to identify his insider. I think Michael could very well be Ben’s person on the ship because as someone mentioned, the bearing to and from the island are different but Michael would only know the bearing from the island and since he would have been picked up by the ship as a castaway they wouldn’t have shared information with him such as the return bearing.

Great catch!! That conversation was bugging me but I couldn’t put my finger on it. Thanks, Cheereyes and Newschool!

Dear cheereyes,

Though I read most theories here, I rarely comment in them. But today, I’m doing so in yours as I think you may be on the right track. Oh, and of course to give you a +1. Brilliant! :)

In line with your thinking, here’s some evidence for Miles and Ben are in cahoots:

When Miles first arrives on the island, he has no idea Jack and the Losties know who Ben is.

Only when the truth of Juliet is revealed by Frank, Miles knows that SHE should know who Ben is, and subsequently drills her.

Now, taking all this double-agent thingy into account, let me pose this hypothetical - HE wants to find Ben; HE sends Abaddon to recruit a team to find the island as well as to kill/capture Ben.

But the ever-manipulative Ben sends an agent under-cover - Miles Straum…

So, while Frank, Charlotte and clueless Daniel know their mission is to kill/capture Ben, Miles plays along, but wants to find Ben for another agenda… TO WARN BEN OF THE THREAT and strike a crippling blow to HIM when the time comes…

So, finally, Miles finds a way to meet his boss, Ben. As Kate denies them any privacy, he asks “you know who I am?” Kate would assume that Ben had a file on Miles. But think about it. If Miles was indeed Ben’s man, he couldn’t have said anything else that would not have given away his act. He couldn’t say “Ben, he has found you and is coming for you!”

Like Naomi’s “tell my sister I love her,” Miles had to use code speak…

Dear Cheereyes and everyone,

Here’s the possible underlying conversation going on between Ben and Miles:

M: You know who I am - (in Ben’s mind = Yes Miles Straum, my pawn)

M: You know who I work for (Ben = Like DUH?!)

M: You know he’s put a lot of time and effort into finding you (Ben = Apparently so. HE’s coming here to kill me after all) [At 2.22 note Ben’s sly smirk]

M: So now I found you (Ben = Good Job. Tell me what you know)

M: I can tell him exactly where you are, or I can lie and tell him you’re already dead (Ben = technically, you are being held prisoner and not in a position to tell anybody anything. Heck, Lost Locke may even think of killing you or shutting you up by shoving a grenade in your mouth! Anywayz, please cut to the chase…)

M: I’d be willing to do that for THREE POINT TWO million dollars (Ben = WTF? 3.2 million. What is he trying to say?! OK let me play along as Kate is watching and listening) [Note the camera cuts to Kate at 22.40]

B: You’ve arranged this meeting so you can blackmail me? (Ben = I hope Kate takes this info to Locke, he’ll become even more Lost. HA!)

M: It’s extortion if you want to get technical (Ben = HA, Miles is the right guy. He know how to play along, too. “technically” indeed)

Continued…

B: 3.2, why not 3.3 or 3.4? Miles silently nods at 22.53

[See the subtle realization on Ben’s face from 22.54 to 22.57]

B: What makes you think I have access to that kind of money? [Ben = Holy Crap! three point two five million = 3 200 000 = 325. That is the precise angle (in degrees) that a person needs to leave the island! And the one I told that to was a certain black dude who had a special son!]

M: Do Not treat me like I’m one of them (points in general direction of Kate) like I don’t know who you are and what you can do! [Miles = He got it! I’m not clueless like these other fools “losties”, including my “pals” on the freighter. NOW DO something! WHAT ARE YOUR ORDERS, SIR?)

[Ben thinks from 23.06 to 23.08]

B: Your friend Charlotte has seen me, she knows I’m alive (Ben = Kill that woman! I shot her twice, but “someone” gave her a bulletproof vest…)

M: I’ll take care of Charlotte, you just worry about getting me the money (Miles = Oops, my bad. But I’ll kill her this time. In the mean time, please worry about the 3.2 5 zeroes)

M: You have Two days (They’ll be here in 2 days…!)

B: My present situation is a little bit restricted. Can that be ammended? (Ben = I need to get out of here. Please try doing something about that, or try halting HIM from coming here)

M: 1 week in cash… (Miles = I’ll try to stall them by another 5 days. Wish me luck…)

Cheer, if this doesn’t turn out to be right then I can’t imagine the ‘real’ answer being better. Well done. +1

Hey, I am new to the site and I think this is one of the most obvious theories that I did not even think about.

Great job! +1!

~Travis V10

Cheer, I would tend to agree with the amount of the money, and the bearings which Ben gave to Michael before sending him and Walt away, as being significant.

This information in North America appeared in the repeat of the episode in caption Thursday night. It stated, the directions given to Michael had direct bearing on the amount of money Miles was asking for from Ben.

That being said, I think it’s a logical assumption to make that Miles is using this information to his advantage. I don’t think Miles’ character flaws and the fact that he is quite mercenary, come as much of a surprise.

I guess the real mystery, is whether or not Miles is Ben’s “man on the boat”, or if he is flying “solo” for his own personal gain. For now, that remains a mystery.

Cheer, I would like to clarify the episodes with the sub-titles which I am watching, is aired on a Canadian station, although it is available to US viewers, but not all until the following week.

The information also appeared early Thursday on DarkUfO as well, therefore was not “new” news to me..

Thanks for the info—nice to know I am on the right track!!!

cheereyes, bravo! I knew there was something coded going on during that exchange, but you nailed it. Great work. +1

Drive by, whoa… What was that? Back up and look again…

That is freakin’ awesome! Cruise on by with a smile on my face.

+1

Nice! I like!

I think it is possible for Miles to be Ben’s spy but his identity not known to Ben.

I want to know what the relevance is to Miles asking for the money in cash.

And why, if he genuinely wanted the money, would Miles be so intent on asking Ben in the knowlege that he’s (and for that matter both of them) a prisoner.

Also, when Kate ‘interogates’ Miles as a prisoner in the boat house, she asks him “do you know who i am”, the same as Miles does as he, esentially, ‘interogates’ Ben as the prisoner. Not sure whether this has any relevance. Although as Miles would be makin up the story in front of Kate, maybe he remembered that’s what she said to him and therfor decided to say it to Ben as part of the act.

+1

Also (forgot to mention) Locke says to Ben at the begining of the episode “you might catch something you missed the second time around” which might be a clue as to the exchange between Ben and Miles.

Wozzers! I was wondering about that 3.2 million dollars and how weird it seemed! Maybe you are right! Good thinking!! Maybe it is all staged. Why would the others stage a rescue?.. Maybe to trap jack, kate, hurley, sayid,.. etc.. to do their dirty work back at home

A great catch!

The way I read it is a little more straight forward.

By giving away the coordinates Ben gave to Michael, Miles is letting Ben know that HE knows Ben’s secrets. It’s his way of proving his power. He chose that specific amount knowing it would frighten (does anything really frighten Ben?) Ben into taking him seriously. Maybe he stumbled upon the info. from Ben’s inside man (Michael?) and chose to take advantage of it. Maybe it’s known amongst the other others how Michael got off the island, coordinates and all. We know Miles is an extortionist and a con man. He wouldn’t be above a little play for pay double cross. Miles’ promises and demands DO seem a little outrageous though, giving credence to your theory.

1) Claim: Miles is one of the Others. Claimed proof: Miles asks Ben “Do you know who I work for”. Counter: I don’t see this as any proof that Miles is anything of the sort. Ben could be aware of an opposition force to which Miles belongs, without Miles having to be one of the “Others”.

2) Claim: the sum of 3.2 million dollars is code for bearing 325. Counter: Ben already knows that is the bearing one needs to take to get off the island, as it is the bearing he gave to Michael for same purpose. So he knows the helicopter from the freighter must have come in on the reciprocal of that bearing in order to drop off Miles and company. There is no need to remind him of that bearing. Also, it’s been established that money is very important to Miles. He pockets the drug profits from an exorcism he performs for a family in LA in the season opener. I admit that 3.2 million is an odd number but Miles is a rather odd person.

OK, it may just be that Miles is one of the Others, in cahoots with Ben, and $3,200,000 stands for bearing 325, but I just don’t think there’s enough evidence in that exchange to prove anything one way or another. So I prefer to keep the options open for other interpretations of that conversation.

This theory is fabulous, yet so simple…. or simply fabulous !!

Makes me kick myself for not arriving at the same conclusion… a huge thumbs up from me !!! +1

cheereyes, First Congratulations on a very good theory. Second that as well , as your theory has taken the honor of being the highest Rated one on LT. I will gladly add my vote !+1

Cant find anything wrong with this one nice work +1

but Miles said in cash… but if you said they talking on code…good..

The thing you got to think about is that Michael is not the only one that knows the coordinates to get on/off the island. The DHARMA Initiative had been coming and going for years and still sends air dropped supplies to the island (which verifies that the Island does not change position and the coordinates to get onto the island don’t change). I think the Scary Bald Black Dude works for Alvar Hanso and that is who wants to find Ben… the sole survivor of the purge (well other than Kelvin, but his survival and the location of the Swan was unbeknownst to Ben)… I don’t think Hanso realized the purge had happened until Locke was fooling with the computer in the Flame station. 3.2 Million could just be a number that Miles needs to pay some sort of debt or something (some character history that hasn’t been revealed yet)… it wouldn’t be the first time stuff has put in just to be a sign of coincidence… Hurley’s lotto numbers, the number on the road sign when Ben’s mother gives birth to him, etc. It might just be one of those things that the producers add to mess with people like the Naomi’s bracelet on Sayid’s future love interest (Producers were quoted as saying “Sometimes a bracelet is just a bracelet”)

I still think Michael is the inside man on the boat, but I don’t think that Miles is working with Michael… does Miles seem like a team player or a guy that is just looking after himself?

I definitely agree there is more behind the conversation than what meets the eye! Good job! +1

at first he tell ben to give him the money in 3 days, maybe he meens ther coming in 3 days and ben told him to make them come in a week

I totally agree with that. I was about to post the same theory but decided to do a search first to see if someone else thought of it.

Great job Cheereyes!!! Great minds think alike. I hope Locke figure it out since he ask Kate to tell them what they were talking about.

I like your theory Cheer, but I heard another one which is also interesting:

What if 3.2 million stands for 3x2 = 6 = 6 people = Oceanic 6? Which means that only 6 people can get out of the Island and he has a week to do so. Then Ben asks, why not 3.3 (9) or 3.5 (15).

What do you think?

Could be MrD, I can’t say that I feel my theory is 100% correct. It was just what seemed obvious to me. I like the idea or 3x2 also—either way I guess my main point was that they most likely weren’t talking about money and that there was more to the conversation. Well, hopefully maybe we will get some info tonight—only 80 more minutes (what a nerd I am!).

in the constant, the bearing on the note was 40 Miles N @ 305 degrees 7 K east. Will one of you numerological experts work this out so we can crown cheereyes the king?

Nicely done, cheereyes. I completely agree. This is a code! (More of a guideline than a code…) Stick to the code! +1

Boy, Ben really took that “we don’t have a code for there is a man in my closet with a gun to my daughter’s head, but we obviously should” moment to heart. He won’t speak in anything but codes from now on.

Genius. +1

I think this number might be very significant, heres a few things which might want to be looked at:

one of the hatch numbers backwards? does anything revolving around this happen in episode 3.2?

Could the bearing change depending of the person? is the reason Desmund began his ‘mind-travel’ due to this bearing, would the slightly diffrent bearing given to Micheal trigger his ect?

just food for thought,

No, it’s not a code, money is still valuable of the Island which Miles wishes to get off the Island and be a millionaire, no code, bro, sorry you are the wrong track, please read my Yin Yang and Armageddon revelation.

i love this theory! i hope it is a code, definately seems like it might be since micheal went off on the the bearing of 325. but then again, we have seen that ben has lots of money….but no, its gotta be a code! +1 from me

@pabodie: true, why faraday’s note is 309 degrees? (am I wrong to think it should be 325° (bearing this theory in mind) after all?) Best theory so far. Congrats dude.

Liked the theory excpt in the constant (most recent epis) someone opened the door for Sayid and des in the sick bay, while miles is on the island.. more than one spy maybe…? Another little theory Id like to run by you; Im thinkin Penny’s dad is the one that chartered the freighter and its crew. I think in 96 when he bought the diary from the black rock, he figured out how to get to the island. I think he maybe have been involved with dharma. Possibly ben figured out a way to hide the island and keep whatever information was discovered there for himself. I think penny may have discovered that her dad was someone how involved with desmond being sent on the sail boat right to the island (coincidence..?) and is not running her own mission to find him, hence the reason she has been calling the freighter non stop as well as sending signals to the underwater station where charlie talked to her..

WELL DONE!

+1 to THAT

When they were flying off the island, the pilot had a heading of 205 degrees. When Ben let Michael & Walt leave the island, I believe he said follow 205 degrees (may have been 225 degrees) and he would get picked up. So in degrees to get to the island would be the back asmith of the 205 degrees, or a heading of 25 degrees. I don’t believe the 3.2 million is in reference to the islands location.

my problem is this:

i really believe that ben has only one spy on the boat. this spy opened the sick bay door and destroyed the communications. how could miles have done that if he was busy chewing on a Grenade a la Locke sandwich at the time? plus, we’ve already seen that miles is greedy for money. he really can speak with ghosts, which is strange, but he scams people for money. we saw this in the introductory flashback for his character. it’s a cool idea, but i’m afraid it’s just not the case. IMO of course.

Great post +1…Most interesting explanation of this odd conversation that can think of

At the same time though…there are reasons to debunk this at least partially. Ben claims to have 1 person on the boat, who breaks all the radio equipment? and who magically opens the door for Sayid and Desmond so they can escape from the infirmary?

I love the idea, but the last episode might have debunked it.

Brilliant! +1!

nice +1

I didn’t say that I think that Miles is Ben’s ‘man on the boat’. However, I do feel that he is in cahoots with the man on the boat. Miles is an opportunist so if he uncovered the ‘man on the boat’s‘ real purpose Miles would most likely blackmail him/her. Whoever is the person on the boat may have explained to Miles that Ben is capable of anything and getting anything. Miles, in turn, follows the orders of the man on the boat and goes to the island with the mission of warning Ben that more people are coming. Miles carries out this mission with the goal of getting money in the end but that isn’t why he asks for money—that is the code for the coordinates to leave the island 3-2-5. Miles doesn’t need to blackmail Ben on the island because his man on the boat has already offered the reward.

Don’t think so. He robs people. He took that woman’s grandson’s money. He went there knowing(he has a cop friend). Also I believe the other is on the ship and is the one who unlocked the door so Des could get out and make the call. He needs 3.2 million probably to get out of some debt. He gave him one day to pay and changed it to a week when Ben said given the circumstances it would be difficult to get it to him in a day.

I think that this was definitely a warning about an attack coming from the freighter people. I think that Michael is going to be Ben’s mole on the freighter. This just fits nicely: Ben told Michael to follow heading 325 to get to rescue, and now the people on the boat seem to know about the 325 heading. 325 to the boat and 325 from the boat. Makes sense.

I truely think it is just about the money. First off why is it assumed that when Miles asks Ben “Do you know who I work for?” that means he works for the Others? That really doesn’t make sense. Miles has been searching out Ben this whole time, and his only goal is to tell him that the bearing to the island is 325 degrees? BEN already KNOWS THAT. He told Michael the bearing. And Miles didn’t just give Ben one week to come up with the money. He first told Ben that he has 2 days! Ben then asked for a week given the circumstances. Miles doesn’t have a radio. He couldn’t communicate that Ben needs more time to the boat.

I don’t really think this is “Code”, but there must be a reason why miles is asking for 3.2 Mil.

BALONE, don’t ever comment on this website again- you truly are a complete moron and you aren’t even worthy of giving your opinion after what you just said!!

haha i agree with newschool…+1 to THAT!

Oh and of course, +1 to you as well cheereyes!

+1. This is an excellent explaination to why Miles wanted to see Ben. However, i cant see it happening.

+1111111….your Awesome..

hi cheereyes,

your onto a winner there!!, i did think this too, but the numbers thing deffo backs your theory up!

hope your right!

Very smart theory. +1

I agree with you +1

Brilliant thinking. We need more of this concrete stuff and less “Hey my theory is that blah blah sci fi garbage I read about in this book one blah.”

Another 3.2 shout out in the show:

I actually can’t remember what episode but in season three when a man is helping his wife give birth in the woods. He then runs out onto the side of a highway where Ben pulls over and helps the couple. You can see on the other side of a road there is a highway sign explaining how far away Albequerque is. 32 miles.

I agree about the conversation oddities and I think your conclusion is correct. +1

Excellent!! +1

Hi everyone… I like the theories so far they are great! I have another one though… Penny’s dad knows about the Dharma Initiative and might be the owner or the main guy behind it. (he has enough money as we already know). He knows what Ben did on the Island (kill off the Dharma initiative) and has employed Miles and a few others (the guys on the boat) to hunt him down. I also think Miles uses the 3.2 million dollar figure as a confirmation of the coordinates of the boat and where he has come from as Ben knows the boat is on that bearing and it is after him to kill him. Miles asks “do you know who i am” and “who i work for” as an indication of who exactly he is and what he is doing there. I think he actually wants 3.2 million dollars to keep quiet and to report back to Pennys dad that he is dead. Thats why Miles says he will take care of Charlotte. The insider on the boat is Michael. I think Ben thinks he has control of Michael but infact I think Michael was captured by the crew on the boat and is not on Ben’s side, nor the side of the guys on the boat. Michael doesn’t seem to be in any panic or struggle to find his son either.

Great theory…and also Miles knows Michael isn’t using his real name when he boards the freighter…because he is indeed an ‘Other’.

why would Miles need to know the bearings to get to the island if Daniel already knew them?

Good theory BUT. Ben should already know that they know the bearing of how to get to the island, being that THEY ARE RIGHT THERE already. why would miles have to tell him what he already knows? Whether or not they are coming in a week is irrelevant, Ben already knows they’re coming and that’s all that matters.

Once again, WHY would Miles go through all the trouble to talk to Ben in private just to tell him something he already knows?

Theory debunked.

NICE THEORY DUDE

This is interesting, but a little convoluted (even for Lost). I agree with portwolf. If Miles is were an ‘other’ i think he would try to help Ben instead of trying to kill him or extort money from him. The only reason Ben isn’t with the rest of the ‘others’ is because the losties took him hostage. Plus, i think Ben only had one spy on the boat which we already know to be Michael.

I’m ready to bet all my money that that’s true

someone said above How Locke told ben that you might catch something you missed the second time around. We are thinking that we should watch the exchange between miles and ben again, but what if, there is a difference between the exchange in the episode as aired originally and as aired for recap the following weekend. since its all beamed to affiliates via sattelite these days, there is less chance of this being leaked since the switch only occurs once at ABC broadcasting.

+1

i agree best observation i’ve seen…genius.

It’s a good theory but I agree with portwolf

Man I don’t mean disrespect for the poster of this theory but I’m not understanding it’s highest rated status. It’s a nice little theory and deserves some kudos for that, but highest rated? there are so many more theories that are so much better and with a lot more thought into them right here on this same page. I’m not trying to insult even though I know it’s probably coming out that way.

I agree with portwolf. : ( Why can’t we losties ever predicted anything thats right!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks everyone for your comments—I haven’t been on here for awhile so I have enjoyed reading everything!

Portwolf: I agree that obviously Miles knows the coordinates because he is there—what I was trying to say was that he was using the coordinates as a code to let Ben know that Miles is on his side, whether Miles is working both sides (Ben and Widemore) I don’t know but obviously Miles couldn’t talk openly in front of Kate so he used the odd numbers.

DaSoulMan: I am also shocked by my highest rated status—pleasantly surprised! I think the reason is that my theory is relatively simple, doesn’t involve physics or quantum theories, doesn’t involve time travel or any of those type of things. I also think that my theory is perhaps something we will have an actual answer to this season. I will either be right or wrong and it won’t take the next two years and countless episodes and flashbacks/flash forwards to figure it out. My theory is also short and simple to understand so either people agree or they don’t. Most of the highest rated theories are short and relatively simple (one theme). Thank you for the comment just the same though! ;)

It all makes sense cant fault ya! +1!!!

pretty lame if ya ask me

this is okay but it dosnet deserve +90 points

this is cool but how is miles an other? the people he’s working for aren’t the others? Ben is an other. comment back if u want. i just need more proof

I think Miles is an other that was recruited off-island, perhaps by Tom. I don’t know, since I posted this theory much has happened so I don’t know if Miles is an other or works for Widmore and is just being an opportunist.

hmm….im not really buying this theory, although i do admit there was something funny about the conversation, i think you’re on the right lines though, good attempt!

I did give this a +1 and am buying it. Contradicting your theory, Miles is money hungry as we saw when he played “ghostbuster” over at Mrs. Gardner’s house and used his powers of sorts to find himself a bag full of cash so he very well could’ve gone to the island with the intention of making a large fortunte. That could be irrelevant however (we just don’t really know yet). I am going to bring up a few points of my own to back your theory up: These people on the freighter are ruthless as well as professional. There is no way that they wouldn’t search the belongings of an employee who spent a week or so on the island upon returning. I believe that 3.2 million dollars would stand out. I don’t see how Miles could be that careless unless he really has a death wish. Also, it looks to me as if he has a messenger role. Miles was around New Otherton one minute and all of a sudden is on the radio with Keamy. We didn’t see how that came to be. He could’ve very well called Miles but I really doubt that Locke and company would let Miles keep his radio. So, if that’s the case, he met with one of those that were with Keamy face-to-face.

Beautiful think about this show that we are all so obsessed with is that we can speculate all day, but we just don’t know…

and I meant to say beautiful “thing” about this show but I guess that I wasn’t thinging….long effing weekend and I apologize for any other possible gramatical error.

nice theory till the newest episode came out. in the way the world shpes up ben mentions to miles while theyre in room preparing for the people from the boat that ” miles you probably wont be getting those 3.2 million dollars” according to this thoery that line doesnt make sence

I absolutely love this theory, but it doesn’t look like the show is going in that direction. It could be an intentional red herring by the writers though.

at aproximately 20:15- 20:30 ben says the line- well miles looks like you wont be collecting ur three million dollars ” soo cheereyes and all the others who fell in love with htis theory please explain that line to me??

When Miles originally asks for the money he wants it in like 3 days or something like that. Then Ben asks him for a week and Miles obliges (sp?) so If Miles really was a messanger, and it was code for the fact that they found the bearing and were coming in 3 days, why was he telling him 3 days til they get there, and then decided to change the plans all on his own and make it a week??

Dumb theory, I can’t believe it is highest rated, it’s a simple common sense thought that everyone watching was thinking. Everyone should negative vote this weak theory.

retards its not possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! read my comment right above

A smart and logical explanation to a conversation that left me fundamentally discombobulated .. Firstly, the amount is oddly unprecise. Secondly, Miles, in ‘the economist’, states that ‘… and for what they are paying him he does not need to know why’, which to me suggests that he is receving rather a lot for participating in this mission, and therefore the writers would be somewhat unable to justify him wanting to contact Ben solely to make some “easy money”. And thirdly, it would seem profoundly unorthodox of the writers and out-of-tune with the nature of the show to use a number with such an obvious underlining knowing that the show has such an analystically invested fanbase.

However(!), having said that, I do not feel that there is enough evidence to support the theory that Miles should be an other. He seemingly has some of the traits that characterize the others: He has a sort of communion with the island which is obviously based upon his ability to communicate with the - let’s call them dead in order to not overcomplicate this thread. Furthermore, he seems to be very aware of what is going on - at least much more so than the losties and his four “friends” - I am also including Naomi. But as his ‘ghostbuster-gift’ is not restricted to the island and as his awareness could be due to said gift, I am disinclined to call him an other. And stating that his two first questions (do you know who I am and whom I work for) serve as proof that he is an other is in my opinion simply to vague.

I do believe you are on to something very interesting and quite possibly correct when you state that the number is a code but I feel that the strongest argument pro that theory is Ben’s acceptance. If this was merely a ‘money-request’ then Ben basically would not accept this deal. First of all, I do not think that Ben would believe that Widmore and co. would simply take Miles’ word for it. Second of all, if Ben knows that their orders are to kill everyone else on the island if he died then surely someone else would use their knowledge of Ben’s whereabouts to create a reasonable bargaining-position and Ben would of course know this.

I think you are right about the number being a code and I must admit that both your and Newschool’s deliberations and observations are very astute. But to say that Miles is an other based on our current info on the character is to be grasping at straws to be perfectly honest.

But then the question obviously becomes: What is Miles agenda if he has one and for whom is he working if he is indeed working for anyone. And although I know that all we can do is theorize I feel it is too soon to answer that question.

I so believe this to be true!

Miles is Ben’s spy? wow but i agree with you..nice thinking..

Maybe with all the time traveling issues its even Bens boat, that is searching for the island? The boat with Michael on it LOL

Watching this over again, i can rememeber Ben saying to Michael the coordinates are 3.25

3.25 million dollers…… bit weird

if u lot watch “meet kevin johnson” the recap in the begining, he clearly says this

The bearing has changed, previously it was 325 Degrees, when Sayid wants to take the zodiac boat (Cabin Fever), the captain specifically states that Faraday said the only safe bearing is 305.

Iknowmoreaboutlostthanyou “nice theory till the newest episode came out. in the way the world shpes up ben mentions to miles while theyre in room preparing for the people from the boat that ” miles you probably wont be getting those 3.2 million dollars” according to this thoery that line doesnt make sence”

umm… i think that actually confirms his theory even more. ben is talking to miles about the timing, miles said he needed the 3.2 million dollars within 2 days and when ben said he needed more time miles said that he would try and give him 1 week.

in my opinion Ben saying “looks like you won’t be getting that 3.2 million dollars” is really just his way of saying “shame on you for not holding them off longer!”

Thats frickin genius!

What a genuis!!!!

ben is saying no 3.2 mil because he knows the coords for the islands safe travel passages are going to change when the island is moved, and thats the only way to stop whats happening.

just because ben isn’t “in control” any more doesnt mean he doesnt have a plan and know whats going on…after all he is ben..

why would Miles talk to Ben in code in privacy? This theory seems silly.

Kate was there so they were not in privacy, hence the code.

so what about the fact that Keamy and his men came to the island 5 days after Miles and Ben had this “coded meeting”. not to mention the fact that as far as we know MIles hasn’t had any contact with the freighter since then, so how would he be able to change the plan from the original 3 days he gave ben, to the one week deadline he gives him after. i don’t buy it -1

First off, Congrats on the highest rated theory, but I’m on the fence with half of this theory. I never noticed the correlation between the 3.2 million and the coordinates-which I would say shouldn’t go unnoticed. The only problem is the theory that Miles is an “Other”. Why would MIchael be responsible for blowing up the freighter, knowingly unable to kill himself-if he wasn’t assigned the spy? Who else would have opened the door for Sayid and Desmond on the freighter? As we see in an earlier episode, Miles has a telepathic abilities that he will use for money, so maybe he was actually looking for that much, possibly knowing that Ben can leave the island at will. It’s just too much of a coincidence that those set of numbers match, just don’t know why yet. Maybe after Miles meets Jacob.

that would all work out fine, except i was watching the last episode before the season finale just last night, and the bearing is NOT 325, but rather 305. I just watched the episode again last night, and the camera focuses in on a man who will “drive” the freighter entering the bearing into the freighter’s nav. system and he clearly enters 305 after being told the bearing by desmond.

I agree cocobutta and tgif0920, its a great idea, but for some reason i just don’t like it. The first time we heard the bearing was when Ben told Michael, just as he was leaving, he told him it was 325. Since then the bearing has changed and is now 305 (did the island move once already??dun dun duuuuuunnnnn) but mostly what i don’t get is this: Miles told ben to have the money in 2 days (which according to this theory would mean Ben had 2 days until keamy and the men leave the freighter to come to the island) then ben asks for more time due to his ‘situation’ and so Miles changes it to a week. which according to this theory would mean he was going to some how make sure Keamy and his men didn’t leave for a week now instead of 2 days. But MIles has zero contact with the freighter, and Keamy definatly doesn’t seem to be the kind of guy to be told what to do by someone below him in the ranks. And even if we do assume that MIles has a secret past we don’t know about and maybe he is actually higher then Keamy in the ranks adn we just havent’ seen that flashback yet yadda yadda, Keamy and his men come 5 days after MIles and Ben have this so called “coded” conversation……so all in all i don’t agree with this post, and i think if everyone thought about it enough you’d al see why it doesn’t make sense!

I give you +1 for that observation with the amount of money (3.2 million aka 325). Besides that I don’t think we can prove that Miles is using some type of code with the amount of time, aka One week, as was said prior to me that originally he only gave him two days. Not only that it doesn’t take the freighter people One Week before they attack and kill some people including Alex… they attack much sooner. We also have to remember the flash back that showed us some of Miles’ history. He indeed has some sort of power in communicating with the dead but from what we see he may very well just be greedy as he pocketed the money he found behind the shelf (but not TOO greedy as he did at least give the deposit back). So all in all we’re still left with wondering why the amount HAD to be 3.2 million so on that great job!

+1 to you. The only part I’m not that sure about is the “do you know who I work for”. That wouldn’t necessarily mean he’s an other; he could be telling him he works for Widmore.

no. Just no. lol

Miles however you see when he is first introduced when he goes to the old ladies house. trys to make her pay more and gets the cash from in the wall. So maybe he is after bens money??

first of all awesome theory something that backs this theory up is the fact that miles knew that michael was lying about his real name (ben had told miles who he was) when they first met on the boat. +1

i am new here.i read many theories and when i saw yours i said omg!!! fantrastic job i will try to support your theory,but it is already strong.

excelent JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP walking

That’s a nice theory but I think Miles just wants the money. The first time he was introduced we see him conning an old lady and ended up with a handful of cash hidden by the guy he was talking to. Yes he does have these supernatural powers and he’s using it to earn buttloads of cash.

As for Miles knowing that Michael was lying about his name, well, he also knew that Charlotte has been on the Island before so he knows a lot of stuff. Maybe he knows the Island’s secret omgwtflol