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Hi, Cindy is an weird interesting one!

Regarding point a) Cindy could have been an Other en route to somewhere else (another island?) and the plane crash was not part of the ‘plan’. There is a really good clip of junior ben arriving on the island, it really looks like an ageless Cindy is in the greeting party, I’ll try to find a shot…..

Excellent points AC. You make a good argument for Cindy being just an innocent by-stander that Jacob knew would understand their cause.

As you suggest, perhaps it is the malleable people that make the list. The children probably automatically fall into that category because their view of the world is still being shaped.

However, if your name happens to be Karl or if you still are having trouble accepting the Other’s viewpoint, then you get the room 23 Clockwork Orange treatment. :)

I’ve seen a side-by-side of the screencaps fivestades. They do look similar, but it isn’t her. Try Dark UFO’s screencaps section.

Here is a link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwGOl7bpyNw It does really look like her…..but on closer inspection I don’t think it is +1

I’ve checked out the Dharma girl who is supposed to look like Cindy previously as well. I thought it sounded too odd to be true when I heard it. When I checked, I realised so. It’s definitely not her.

AC: Your arguments are very good. However, everything you brought up convinced me to reach the opposite conclusion—that Cindy was on the other side from the beginning. She disappeared so silently and swiftly, that I doubt she was even taken at all, but inconspicuously just slipped away from the group, maybe even hid in one of Alex’s foxholes. As for placing herself on a plane she knew was going to crash, I believe that the plane itself may have been expected, but the crash was not. Desmond threw a monkey wrench into the works.

I’m in the Cindy was an other from the beginning camp—there’s the fact that she says nothing about not remembering Goodwin but claims not to remember Nathan. Also she says the exact same thing as the Pilot about them being off course, and I have suspicions about whether what either of them says there is accurate. And like ozzig I find the scenario of her slipping away to be more plausible—plus slipping away at just that moment creates the tension which results in Ana Lucia shooting Shannon. I think the tension is deliberately being created.

Also ozzig, when Eko handed the kids over to Cindy to watch over during “The Other 48 Days”, I thought it appeared that Cindy had a look on her face like, “This is too easy”.

Hopefully we get a little more back story on Cindy like we are supposed to get on Libby in the upcoming seasons. That is, if there is an upcoming season…

The latest news is that ABC will air the now 8 episodes (half a season) that they already have “in the can” if the strike occurs. We should know the decision by tomorrow or Friday. Keep your fingers crossed people!

Will it be a trick or a treat?

AC I also think Cindy is an Other form the start, she is just way to comfortable too quickly, like her conversation with Locke about everybody waiting for him.

LOCKE: There. That ought to do it.

CINDY: Thanks. That would have taken me hours to do myself.

LOCKE: Glad I could help.

[Cindy notices Locke looking at more people staring]

CINDY: Don’t mind them. They’re all just excited you’re here.

LOCKE: Excited?

CINDY: We’ve been waiting for you.

Coupled with the strange conversation with Jack about coming to watch, perhaps it is Ben sending a familiar face to mess with them, make them think that they can go from crash survivor to Other (with a higher purpose) and be accepted and happy.

Fair arguments, Jaz, Ozzig and Sham. Can’t argue with the logic, and part of me is persuaded by it. But gut feeling leads me down the other route at the moment. I think I just LIKE the idea that she was kidnapped and converted better for the purity of the plotline than all the murky, messy qualities that conspiracy theories conjure.

I agree with that AC. “Keep it simple stupid” :)

AC, you are a breath of fresh air for this site. We’ve been subjected to a lot of troll stink latley. It’s nice to get some fresh ideas.

Sham - many thanks. The site’s been a diamond find, actually. Love the attitude on here. Love the intelligence on display. Makes me raise my game and not rest idly on what I think I’ve got sussed out about the show.

Lojozz - quit hanging around my theories and get on with that Juliet Thesis you’ve been banging on about. . .!

LOL, I’m on it! but work keeps getting in the way, that and you debating the finer points of Ben carrying on with an extraction of the Kwon et al when blatantly he knows his tape recorder is missing and therefore Juliet should not have got the message!!!

Are you and Lojozz in cahoots AC?

There are some awesome older theories here. It really is a gold mine and the talent here certainly does force you to step up your game.

LJ - Beware distractions.

+1. I like this. It’s given me more to consider. I think I agree with Ozzig and Jazprof - this theory has gone some way to convincing me that Cindy was an ‘other’ all along. Add to this the fact that she was known to be in a relationship with Gary Troupe - it could be possible that she was sent by the others to keep an eye on Gary and keep tabs on what he knew.

Wasn’t Troupe the one that the turbine cuisinarted?

Sham: LJ and I know each other in the real world. You might even call us friends.

He was/is my Lost-theory sparring partner. We generally argue each other senseless to reach an eventual conclusion.

(Example: we spent most of yesterday e-mailing at work about the tape recorded Locke stole from Ben.)

Jin! Completely forgot that about Cindy - that she was linked to Troupe (yes, turbine man) in some way… Not sure how ‘official’ that is, though.

Heh…Cuisinarted. Good word! Yeah he was. He was the guy who ‘wrote’ Bad Twin

Very well done, AC. I think for now I’m leaning towards Cindy being an Other all along. Her giving Jack the free vodka and wanting Charlie to get out of the bathroom seem too coincidental to me. Maybe Charlie was supposed to die on the plane?

AC, I really think that Ozzig, Jazzie & the Shammaman got it right, and I also subscribe to that theory. Nicely written and presented! +1

AC you really are a fab addition to this site!

I personally think that you are right to say it would be odd for Cindy to willingly put herself in such a dangerous situation (as the plane crash was) with advance warning UNLESS she knew she definitely wouldn’t come to any harm. Which puts a new spin on things.

Given that Richard Malkin knew the plane would crash (assumption based on the fact that he urged Claire to get that specific flight) is it out of the realms of possibility that others knew as well?

However I tend to think that Cindy was stolen swiftly and silently away because she was on the list. In other words that she was destined to be a watcher, as you rightly suggest above.

Bravo friend, good stuff indeed.

Guess I’m in the minority here in thinking that Cindy wasn’t part of the Others until they grabbed her. I’m not sure why you guys find some of the things surrounding her so odd. I’ve gotten a few extra “perks” when flying so I’m not at all surprised that she gave Jack a couple of free drinks. It doesn’t seem odd that a woman would find Jack attractive and give him a couple of free drinks. As for Charlie and the bathroom scene, I would expect the stewardess to demand that he return to his seat in that circumstance. There are no seatbelts on toilets so obviously in that kind of violent turbulence they would want everyone on board safely strapped into their seats.

As for her being taken so quietly vs. sneaking off on her own, think back to the episode when the Others took the kids. They walked right into the camp and took the kids while everyone around them slept. They managed to pick them up and carry them, or drag them away without any noise at all - including from the kids. Why would is it odd then that they were able to take Cindy in broad daylight while everyone else was distracted?

And as for her comment to Jack that they were there “to watch” I think in the context of what she was speaking about it makes sense. She was NOT there to watch Jack, Kate and Sawyer, they were there to watch the court hearings for Juliette. In the days before TV the public would always attend important court proceedings. I have no doubt that Ben, Jacob and whoever else is in charge made it a point to have the children attend the hearings. Breaking the rules has a consequence. Having the children watch a “criminal” hear their punishment for breaking the rules would be a simple way to reinforce in the children that they should do what they’re told.

One thing I disagree with in this theory though is that Jacob’s list is based on those willing to accept the Others purpose and those with nothing to repent for. Eko had much to repent for and yet he was on their list. Faced with a chance to repent he refused and smokie , well smoked him. Overall a good theory and some great discussion! Good job all around folks! +1 from me!

Jukin I agree with you! I don’t think she was an Other before she was taken. I was just wondering how it could be possible for her to be an Other and be knowingly on the doomed flight. Unless the flight wasn’t as it appeared.

@ please how do you get these perks? I was so convinced I was going to get an upgrade when we flew to Vegas, lol, I was actually quite put out when they directed me back to economy class :-)

Nice post! I’ve always believed that Cindy was already an other. I see her as a true ‘fate-bender’. http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2007/jul/13/fate-benders/ Her actions definately are speaking volumes as to her motives. She just seems too comfortable to believe that she has been manipulated. She just reminds me so much of Libby. Going back to Goodwin we see much of the same ploys used to seer the participant to a desired outcome. They are handlers. or herders steering the sheep to the slaughter. Well maybe not slaughter, but it sounds good. Cindy - Fate Bender creating a desire result.

seat belts on toilets…brilliant!

mrssawyer it’s become more difficult to get the perks since 9/11. Prior to that it was pretty easy to get upgrades into first class. usually if you asked nicely or made it a point to buy the ticket on a platinum airline card and showed them a frequent flyer card it was an automatic upgrade. In first class getting a couple of drinks was as easy as asking. As long as you weren’t close to being drunk they gave them to you figuring they were saving themselves a trip back. Now it’s a totally different game. My Father-in-law works for the airlines and even he has trouble getting some perks when he flys. Next time you fly, ask if there are any upgrades available and tell them you’re on your honeymoon. If the flight isn’t crowded they’ll probably accommodate you. By the way, it’ll NEVER happen on a flight to Vegas. Those flights are usually over booked and the airlines and casinos tend to have “first rights” to those upgrades for their VIPs.

Jukin, I agree with everything you pointed out about the “Cindy” debate!

We still don’t know anything about Jacob’s List, or who or why they were on it. What we do know, is who is NOT on that list!

Great discussion!

Angelo, another home run! (I’m still basking in the joy of the Red Sox win) +1 of course.

I’ve always thought Cindy was an Other, it just seemed obvious to me. But you do make some good points for the other side.

My biggest question has always been the one you put away. Why the sprint down to the tailsection? I don’t think she knew the plane was going to crash when she signed on to the mission, but somehow she had to get to the rear of the plane, disregarding her own safety. That part bothers me.

That and the fact that I can’t find any info on Jacob’s list, still!!!!

Great job, we’re are honored to have you aboard. :-)

Annie, I was inclined to let Cindy’s super-human sprint to the tail-end section go for one reason: I thought it was a mistake on the behalf of the creators. She was an identifiable crew member who could be on hand to deliver the 1000 miles off course information to the tail-end people so they’d know rescue was a dim possibility. So they put her with the tail-end survivors despite it not making much logistical sense.

I didn’t consider the idea that she did it on purpose - that it was essential for her to be with the tailies… If they can make that play, then I will be a very satisified Lost viewer. Well, MORE satisfied.

Again, thanks for the compliments and special mention to Jukin for his/her admirable rational arguments for Cindy not being an Other!

I have been re-watching season 3 and doesn’t Ben tell John that he has to “do something” to become ready to become an OTHER? Ben tells John he has to kill his father. Now unless she was already an Other and “did her something” previously, I do not see what she could have done to make herself ready to become an Other.

Unless it was sacrificing the children, becoming a mole for the Others. Or we may need hear more of her story to find out.

This also makes me think what could someone like Juliette, Tom, or any of the Others have done to become ready to become an other or become ready to learn the secrets of the island. Possibly another theory ” are you ready to Learn??”

AGAIN a perfect example as to why I love this site and this show!!!

Been a while since I’ve even been on the site, but I’d like to add to this theory…

After Cindy was taken en route to the beach camp I couldn’t see why she would be wanted by the Others. But when she showed up with the kids outside Jack’s cage it got me thinking that maybe they took her for the kids sake. I know Cindy didn’t have that much time to bond with the kids since they were taken pretty much immediately; but children do get attached and in a situation like theirs maybe just having her around made them feel a bit more comfortable with their new “family” and new surroundings.

Are you f*cking kidding me… WORSE THEORY EVER. Period.

Go back into the hole that you came from. Terrible. This board has gone south with these new users and their crappy theory.

or why don’t you dig a hole crawl in it yourself and I’ll fill it in. f’n crybaby.

negativefcf, dude, we try to practice constructive criticism on this site….don’t be a d!ck. if you don’t like the theory just give good reasons why you disagree instead of knocking someone else down. judging by the comments and debate it has generated i’d have to say it’s a pretty good addition to the theory board.

Great post AC +1…Personally I’m undecided about Cindy even after all these great comments.(I hope we find out in season 4)

Some thoughts on Cindy:

First of all, I think all ideas that start with the premise that the plane crashed intentionally, and that Cindy volunteered to take a fall from 30,000 feet are wrong. The crash was an accident, caused by Desmond. Period.

Cindy’s actions, including the way she just disappeared, are odd and suspicious. I have a pet theory that could help make Cindy’s story make sense. Find it here:

http://lost-theories.com/theories/2007/sep/30/nexus-timelines/#comments

So, assume that the island is the intersection of different timelines or universes. Assume that per the Comic Con video, the same entity from different time lines should not touch or be in proximity to each other.

Now, here’s the big one: assume that there already WAS A CINDY ON THE ISLAND! The new, survivor Cindy is a problem. Maybe even a danger. Survivor Cindy was not co-opted - she was more likely killed.

Consider what happened when Jack meets her while he’s caged. HE says he recognizes her. HE makes the connection to the plane. SHE looks confused, and then understanding dawns. She has suddenly realized that Jack has mistaken her for someone else - her doppleganger. She starts to say something like, “You don’t understand, its not that simple…”

And then there is a question asked about Ana-Lucia. Cindy doesn’t ask about A-L. Cindy says that the children want to know about A-L. This makes sense if “Other” Cindy has never met A-L.

Whatchathink?

WillsDad, I like your reasoning. I never thought about it before, but now that you mention it, what with Jack being the leader/doctor of the survivors, she should have recognixed him immediately. And thank you for the part about the plane was not intended to crash. I don’t know why people think anyone would intentially crash an airliner in order to collect living survivors. Each cancels the other out. Expecting the plane, ok. But not the crash.

WillsDad, from what we’ve seen so far iyour idea kind of stacks up. But, for me, it still feels like an elaborate explanation for something that ought to be simpler… Good thinking none-the-less; it’s certainly something that’s never crossed my mind.

That’s interesting WillsDad . It may shed some light why some of the Others don’t seem to be worried about dying. For example: Bea Klugh has Mikhail shoot her. Did she know that her other self (maybe a bi-located self) would live on? Are there two Richards… one on the island and one recruiting in the U.S.?

By the way folks… just ignore negativefcf.

I like the title; it sounds like the title of a cheesy porn film.

see, i want to make a point here about “cindy not willingly being in a plane crash”

well… mikhail? ms. klugh? do the others seem scared of death at all?? i think its fairly reasonable to assume that if cindy was an other, she would have willingly taken part in a plane crash on ben’s (or jacob’s) orders.

First of all, what is “negativefcf?”

Second, about that porn film. I’m thinking Kate and Cindy as an opening scene. Then Libby enters…

Tropical Polar Bear: Knock it off. We’re having a serious conversation here.

But, if we were doing a film, I’m thinking of something with Kate and Clare. See, Kate is worried about getting a sunburn. She asks Clare to rub the last of the sun block on her…

Does anybody else feel that the quality of the comments has taken a nosedive?

And speaking of diving, I’m thinking maybe Shannon and Kate.

(Yes, I do appear in court at least twice a week. And, yes, somehow people take me seriously)

I like this post, because it brings up some interesting ideas, but I don’t agree with its conclusion.

I think rejecting the “Cindy was always an Other” theory out of hand (simply because that theory requires her willingness to sacrifice her life) is unwarranted. If you recall, one of the Others acting in concert with Mikhail ostensibly asked her to shoot him rather than be forced to lead them back to the Others. They have shown zealotry for their cause before, willingness to sacrifice their own lives, and willingness to sacrifice the lives of others.

Waxahachie, you do make a good point about zealotry. Re-reading all of this, I realize there were some things I missed the first time around, but I have a very good picture of it now.