(Group1: The Whole Truth): “A Baby Will Change Everything”
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By jazprof
- (Group1: The Whole Truth): “A Baby Will Change Everything”
- Created: Oct 20, 2007
- Last updated: Aug 14, 2008
- After episode: 3.22: Through The Looking Glass
- Status: Current
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“A baby will change everything” is what Jin says to Sun about why he wants a baby—to give him back his moral integrity by escaping from the violent aspect of his work for Sun’s father. He wants to give birth to himself then?
— jazprof
Yes, I know, some people will tell you it’s the moonwalk that changed everything—but really, that’s so 60’s! Unless you’re Michael Jackson—then it’s so ‘80s. :-)
“A baby will change everything” is what Jin says to Sun about why he wants a baby—to give him back his moral integrity by escaping from the violent aspect of his work for Sun’s father. He wants to give birth to himself then?
The garden as a symbol gave me hope that Jin actually is the father of Sun’s baby. First he rips it apart out of fear for her—playing the protector, which always gets him into trouble. And then this ties into the flashback because again by playing the breadwinner/protector role, Jin has lost his identity. Also in the flashback, Jin’s masculinity is reenforced by the fertility doctor not telling him that he is the one who is infertile—and this is really about protecting the doctor from the violence of Jin/Mr. Paik.
In the present though Jin’s marginal status is really drawn attention to here by hearing English as gibberish—he can not function playing the macho guy. This leads him to go back and replant Sun’s garden. He tells her he is fixing a mistake and then talks about how much he needs and loves her. So there you have it. I think his need and love for Sun means he’s the one who planted her garden.
I guess one thing that might indicate that it will turn out to be Jae though is the title “the whole truth” and the fact that Sun doesn’t tell Jin the whole truth as Jack advises. (Interesting that Jack lies to Kate right after he gives Sun this advice.)
Other tie-ins with pregnancy—a baby will change everything—Aaron?
Kate asks “Who flies with a pregnancy test?” — I thought one possibility would be Cindy—wouldn’t a stewardess be more likely to be carrying this with her than one of the passengers? Not sure what that means though.
OK—here’s one that’s probably just me getting carried away :-)
Locke tells Ana “There’s a man sitting in my hatch and I want him out.” That just seemed odd—”his” hatch? and why does he need him out? But then the word hatch and the fact that Lostpedia says that in the hatch Locke is listening to a song called “Pushing too Hard” by The Seeds?—I’m sure you see where this is going—he’s enlisting Ana as a midwife; he wants Ben to hatch already, but he’s pushing too hard. Then again, maybe it just refers to the button. :-) Or maybe it’s both! (Yeah, that’s it.)
Other random thoughts: Ben asks “What’s the difference between a martyr and a prophet?” Is Jack the martyr and Locke the prophet?
Rose knows what day of the week it is and the date (Bernard doesn’t).
Ana knows it is going to rain before it does.
Ben says if he was one of the others he would have set up an ambush at the place he sent Ana—why isn’t there one? Double-bluff?
Last—that group “The Seeds” was associated with a religious group from the 60s (yes I succumbed back to the 60s) called the Yahowha Religious sect. Their fourth commandment is: Allow each vibration to complete its own cycle without interference.
More on them (they blend Eastern and Western influences): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahowha
Had to do this one by transcript so sorry if I missed any visual clues.
Key characters
| Short Name | Full Name | Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|
| Jin | Jin-Soo Kwon | 3.2, 2.16, 1.6, 1.17, 1.23, 3.18 | 268 |
| Sun | Sun Kwon | 3.2, 2.16, 1.6, 2.5, 1.17, 3.18, 4.12, 4.7 | 298 |
Key episodes
| # | Title | Aired | Central character | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2.16 | The Whole Truth | 3-22-2006 | Sun, Jin | 104 |
Awesome as usual jaz. Keep compiling the data and thoughts. I swear there is a book there. :)
Lots of great points Jaz….I like the idea that Jin replanting the garden is an indication that he is the father of the baby.
Jazz , I didn’t get to rewatch the episode but I’ll add my thoughts here anyway. I think Sun was pregnant when she got to the island and that Juliet is not only aware of that fact, but using it o her advantage. Ben told her that she couldn’t leave until her work was finished. Juliet and Jack are the only remaining medical people we know of on the island. If Juliet wanted to lie to Ben & Sun about the readings on the conception date, no one other than Jack would be able to contradict her findings. By telling Ben that Sun became pregnant on the island, Juliet is now in a position to create a “treatment” that is certain to work. Once Sun delivers a healthy baby, Juliet will be in a position to force Ben to allow her to go home or lose what little remains of his credibility with the Others. With Ethan dead, there’s no one other than Jack to contradict her and if Jack is working with her to pull this off, it would strengthen her case and force Ben to let her leave or publicly admit that no of them are ever going to leave the island. I believe Juliet was planning to force this issue with Ben by lying about when Sun became pregnant. Of course this is pure speculation — but it would make for an interesting twist and some good television!
Heh, kat, you felt perverted by the Jin planting Sun’s garden idea, but not Locke giving birth to Ben with Ana-Lucia as midwife? Yup, we are on the same wavelength. :-)
Picturing Ben in the “got milk” ad. :-)
Jack could wind up being a martyr in the way the guy in Tale of Two Cities is (Sydney Carton), and I do think of him as a tragic hero. Why don’t you like the idea kat?
Jukin—that explanation really works. Well I have no idea how the writers would pull this off but wouldn’t it be cool if Juliet thinks the baby was conceived off island and she’s acting just as you described, but that the baby was actually conceived on island and that some of the weird temporal anomalies (like the uterus of a 75 year old woman in a woman in her, what, 20s?) have led her to misread the age of the fetus?
I think a clue to Jukin’s point is that, during the ultrasound, Juliet warned Sun that a younger fetus (like young enough to have been conceived on the island) might not show a heartbeat. But then we see that Sun’s baby does show a heartbeat as an older fetus would. I don’t know if, biologically, Sun should have seen a heartbeat of the baby was Jin’s, but I think the writers might have been dropping us a hint there.
Jazzie, I definitely believe that Jin is the natural father of Sun’s baby, because of the male sperm count, skyrocketing through the roof on “the island”. +1
By the way, y’all… this is jazprof’s 100th post.
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