The right to breed & Obsolete Island extended
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By fivestades
- The right to breed & Obsolete Island extended
- Created: Oct 15, 2007
- Last updated: Aug 14, 2008
- After episode: 3.22: Through The Looking Glass
- Status: Current
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I imagine that you cannot travel through time via the islands but time can visit the islands.
— fivestades
Hello There
This is my first post, I’m sure it won’t be as elegant as other theories, you all write so well! At times not a tight theory but a string of plot possibilities
My ideas circulate around two ideas: The central issue of LOST is, organised attempts to forcibly ‘fix’ humans V’s organised attempts to prevent human ‘fixing’ and The island(s) we know are part of a chain of islands. Our island is a ‘first edition’ failure.
I believe our losties are not lost but have been lost. All on the plane were put there.
The amazing deductions in Where on Earth is the Island?! seem to prove that aircraft was heading west not east with the full consent of the pilot and the cabin crew. They were being delivered. So the crash landing ripped them off course and the precious selection of cargo did not get to the place it was supposed to, the precious cargo has been Lost. I think they were almost at their destination but the wrong island. Here we have to assume a great deal. Imagine there are a string of islands, maybe 3 , maybe 108, who knows, all of which are not accessible by ordinary means. All are contained with in a ‘bubble’. This islands are known about and have been accessed by a privileged few throughout time……..past, present and future. I imagine that you cannot travel through time via the islands but time can visit the islands. Lost in time. You can go if you know how.
Imagine that through the past, present and future one organisation has knowledge of these invisible islands and decided to dedicate them to the alteration of human behavior, human testing, trials for the perfection of the Human race. Humans even in the future we can assume are not down with human testing, Thus any good despot with a desire to experiment with species perfection would keep the existence of such a remote testing goldmine a closely guard secret. Passing the access instructions from one generation to the next. Again am not suggesting people travel through time to get to the island but time can visit the islands. i.e when you enter and leave you go back to your time. In theory a mix of people from all across time could be there at the same time. This may explain age freezing.
Black rock represents one prior attempt to find and use the people on board for the ‘mission’
Flight 815 represents one present attempt to use the people on board for the ‘mission’
And I think that future ‘missions’ have been to the island: I believe The smoke monster is a piece of technology left from future experiments……..It can asses thoughts, assess people, be a personality judge, quite scary….maybe the ‘organisation’ is trying to find a way to clinically assess people for the right to bear children, and ole’ smoke assesses this. I propose smoke monster is an obsolete model, broken, too sensitive, hence no babies or mothers are allowed to live. This unfathomable technology (in our world time) could also explain the visions etc. (Futuristic experimental stress trials) The orientation video shows us another attempt at a feasible future concept for ‘refreshing’ society with clone experiments. The four toed statue is a possible hint to a further future visitation, it is widely known that we no longer use our little toe for balance it is useless so evolution dictates that in time (a really long time) humans will only have four toes. This statue may look ancient but it is most likely to be a statue built by the ‘organisation’ visiting from the future. The foot reminds me of the Colossus of Rhodes (http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/Europe/04/carroll/COR1.jpg) built in 304 BC, straddling the harbor entrance in Rhodes to commemorate victory over the Macedonians.( also the Colossus was the design basis for the Statue of Liberty) Statues of this grand scale were often built as a celebration at the end of a war. The statues decay suggests either it has been there a long time, It and some of the (highly futuristic) technology was present when past people somehow discovered the islands? Or it has been destroyed? Based the idea that time has visited our island, how many times has this island been used? What other evidence is there so far to pinpoint times throughout history things have been left on the island (like black rock). Could people on the island be from the past or future but trapped? Jacob?
So imagining that throughout time one ‘organisation’ has knowledge of this place, a closely guarded secret handed through time. Good and bad being a blurred central theme to lost, we can assume that as hard as one ‘organisation’ is trying to manipulate the progress of human development there will be another ‘organisation’ trying to stop them. Nature V’s Nurture. “Organisation 1” being the party attempting to manipulate and control human development and ‘Organisation 2’ being the party trying to prevent this. Could the statue have been built by one battle winning organisation? ‘Soldiers’ so far into human development they have four toes?
The island we know is clearly not a smooth technological engine, maybe this is because ‘organisation 2’ has scuppered previous experiments leaving the island we know, useless and unwanted or maybe just invisible to ‘organisation 1’.
At this point I am not confident in naming which characters or groups on lost fit each organisation, we have Dharma, Widmore, Christian Shephard, Hanso, Ben, Penny, Jacob?
Back to our losties, if we assume that they were elaborately organised to be on that flight, for what reason? All of our losties come from very different walks of life yet have one thing in common, upbringing, questionable parenting, parent issues. Very extreme and debilitating in some cases (Locke) others more subtle (Hurley), but all have had far from a ‘normal’ upbringing. These people could have been carefully watched and selected destined to be test subjects, can a human be ‘fixed’? Can pain be abolished in a human mind? Can a bad parenting cycle be broken? (relation to my smokie theory) Arranged by ‘Organisation 1’ Alternatively. The losties are selected because they were all unknowingly raised, Genetically significant, ancestors of the great, destined to be ‘organisation 2’ (with parental knowledge in some cases). (not so likely due to close relation to Heroes show, but It’s worth a mention)
Where should they have safely landed? I imagine flight 815 was on course for a more refined functioning version of our island. I think we will see this in S04. To partake or infiltrate?
The concept of an organisation attempting to alter human behavior is classically dark and sinister, however I think the writers will tip this on it’s head and it will eventually be the losties that make the decision to be ‘people of science or people of faith’.
Ben and the Others are trying to hide the island, (not very well, people keep landing on it) maybe they as children were test subjects, They too are abandoned failed experiments. They may think island 1 is the only one possessing such equipment and mysticism, I believe they do not know the full extent of things, they are not fully ‘in the know’. I think Ben vaguely knows that ‘Organisation 1’ needs and takes children. Again good and bad being blurred, when 815 came down he was either trying to rescue the children from ‘organisation 1’ or trying to get them for ‘organisation 1’. I think Ben from prior involvement with the organisation sees children as the young, unaware that the children as defined by ‘organisation 1’ is all on the plane. Our losties are the children wanted.
If my theory of two organisations is right who will be the rescue party?
Why can they not go back? I anticipate some kind of realisation when they are rescued, that they have become cold blooded murderers without a cause. Future Jack is clearly not a happy man because under his leadership troops turned into monsters, his crew killed many of the Others. On many occasion the Others could have killed the losties but they did not, they were suspicious but not killers. The others lost body count wise. Our losties did very bad things. And this will hurt. Maybe they are only ‘required’ when they are all together. The 815 passengers may have been heading somewhere great to do great things but they will be sent home. Jack and Kate met in a location where they could not be heard is this because all the rescued are under surveillance? Is ‘he’ a watcher?
Throughout the remainder of the series we have already seen Jacks desire to return, I’m sure he and others will find a way. But to which island? Will Science or Faith prevail?
I know these ideas are broad without direct character examples or references, but I hope you get the idea
Thank you for reading
Key characters
| Short Name | Full Name | Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|
| Charles | Charles Widmore | 412 | |
| Dr. Christian | Dr. Christian Shephard | 339 | |
| Jack | Jack Shephard | 1.1, 1.5, 2.11, 1.11, 1.16, 1.20, 3.9, 3.22, 3.1, 4.10, 4.12, & 3” href=”/episodes/theres-no-place-home-parts-2-3/”>4.13 | 1460 |
| Juliet | Juliet Burke | 3.7, 3.16, 4.6 | 345 |
| Penny | Penny Widmore | 3.8 | 254 |
Key events
| Theme | Relevant Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|
| Four Toed Statue | 205 | |
| Jack finds empty coffin | 1.5 | 168 |
| Jack sees his father on the island | 1.4 | 218 |
| Michael shoots Ana-Lucia and Libby | 2.20 | 121 |
| Sun becomes pregnant | 2.16 | 156 |
I think that’s awesome. That’s probably the most out of the box thinking I’ve seen here. The writers have us so focused on one island that we forget that there may be more just like it…or more powerful. The idea that this could be the island of misfits is really compelling.
We all look to Ben as if he is the one with the most knowledge, but it’s possible that in the grand scheme of things he actually knows very little. Perhaps Alpert knows more than Ben does and is disappointed with Ben’s preoccupation with doing his own experiments and forgetting the bigger matter at hand.
Really gets ya thinking… +1
Welcome, Five! Your theory is well thought out, nicely written and delivered! Good Job! +1
Although, I am skeptical of the “time travel” aspects, I particularly enjoy what you have to say about the experimentation. Nature vs Nurture and the manipulation of human development. I think this idea is very plausible, and would love to see you expand on this subject. I think you are really onto something with that!
As for the remainder of your theory, I think some of it might fit in, however, some of it, doesn’t seem very plausible, but keep working the idea!
I, for one, love a good conspiracy theory! Again, nice work!
Wow, definitely thinking outside the box and on your first theory!!! Congrats!!
Good thoughts on more than two islands and maybe our Losties were supposed to land somewhere else…
Like Dab, I love a good conspiracy theory and yours is well written and well thought out. +1
this is great. perhaps the rescue ship is a group of DI or Others or, most far-fetched of all, Losties (who have taken over the similar island the freighter is coming from) coming to assert their control over the island, purging it. did the voice on the other end of the satellite phone sound familiar to anybody?
Thank you for the comments and +1’s! It is very encouraging….
Chimera, I love the term ‘island of misfits’! Plus the Alpert ref could definitely be explored. Dab, I will outline the N v N theory more soon. The comment section is great, really good to have feedback………four minds are better than one! Cheers
I really like the idea of more than two islands. It makes a lot of sense, and geographically speaking groups of islands with the same geological properties are often found together. +1
Despite the fact that this has never really occured to me, its a great shout! More than one island.
It makes a lot of sense because I think wherever Lost goes, its not the island that is special, its the technology on it that is. (Unless of course it NEEDS to be a volcano or something, but even then its not unique). Therefore multiple islands seems like the sensible thing to do if you’re DI or whatever and you’re trying something new, you’d split your chances rather than an all your eggs in one basket kind of thing.
Perhaps our Losties were en route to a new DI island that they’ve built with their technology since they lost control of the current island due to the purge.
Hmmm.
+1 for making me think! Good stuff! :D
+1 For originality alone.
I can’t say I go with the multiple Island theory (at least, not existing all at the same time). I’m more in favour of the Island running on a loop and being re-visited by time over and over. However, the ideas here - that the Black Rock represents a previous ‘bunch’ of passengers destined for the Island and the Black Smoke is future technology left over - fit in with this concept too.
I’m particularly taken with the idea of the Black Smoke being future technology. That’s a good one.
Awesome
Agree with above comment +1