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I think as far as Jack getting onto the beach, you nailed it on the head, it was just bad editing, but an interesting idea nontheless. You get credit for thinking outside the “hatch” on that one =)

But I agree with you 100% on Jack being in the jungle when the rest of the survivors were on the beach. I think this may be very important. I noticed that a while back, but never thought of bringing up before I saw your post.

Could he be a planted Other like Ethan? With a crazy mind experiment going on with him, a planted past that was made up that’s floating around in his mind that he thinks is real? Is he himself a Dharma experiment?

A very interesting theory, +1 on that.

It is quite interesting that he lands in the jungle when others are on the beach. It could very well be that all that is happening around him is an image of his mind, but I like to think more conventionally. I think they put him in the jungle to develop from the outset a deep, inherent distinction between Jack and everyone else. Jack is the hero of the show. Everyone around him just enables him to become the leader and savior he is meant to be. But he IS the show. So while “he walks amongst us,” he is not one of us.

Does that mean that Bernard is an Other since he landed inland in the tree?

BTW, the shot where they pan from right to left to reveal the crash site wasn’t bad editing. In fact, it was great editing. They purposefully didn’t show the left side of the beach(crash site) when he first appeared out of the jungle. They showed Jack’s perspective as he looked right(where there was no crash), and then when he looked left, we were hit with the incredible images of the crash. It’s not that the crash appeared out of thin air, they just didn’t show us that portion of the beach, intentionally.

I agree that it was a great shot, and excellent editing.

Jack wakes in the jungle, dazed and confused. And injured. The bottles in his pocket remind him of where he was, and what seems to have happened. He gets to the beach. We see things from his point of view as he scans the horizon. Then, the sight and the sound of the disaster make a very sudden impact on his (and our senses) and he struggles for a moment to understand what is going on. Then, he acts like a doctor, assessing the situation, and triaging the victims. I think it is excellently done.

And, as for falling in the jungle, I know that about 95% of posters and commenters believe it is significant. I still don’t see how. He fell from a plane. People and luggage were distributed over a wide area (e.g. tailies). It seems like a mere dramatic device to slowly and dramatically introduce the plane crash. But note: I’ve been wrong before (ex-wife’s email address available upon request)

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Plus one because the island told me to.

risebysin, as far as the beach shot, it does pan far enough to the left to see the beach up to the jungle line, and there is no crash. Then the next scene it shows Jack running past some bushes and boom, there’s the crash site. Unless the DVD I have is a bit different than what you saw? I don’t know.

I’m glad you brought up Bernard, because I was thinking of him as well. But I was talking about the mid-section crash, and not the tail crash where Bernard was.

The thing with Bernard is that he has a direct relationship with another survivor from the crash, his wife. So, we can basically vouch for him…unless you think the both of them are Others which some people actually do.

Quarantine—

plus one on the wife joke!

I also tend to agree with you that at the end of the day, it probably is just part of filming. But fun to surmize anyway.

An important point also is that we cannot analyze every last detail of this show. The fact that Jack blinks 246 times in the second episode and only 231 in the third is not significant. Themes are more significant than individual items, and unless we can determine that a particular situation bolsters a theme, it probably should just be left to filming.

Quarantine, I’m not ruling out that Jack being in the jungle was just used as a “dramatic device” as you say to set up the scene of the crash, but the island is telling me its much, much more!

Vega, Both issues you raised have been addressed here before, but as you are relatively new to the site, you may not have come across them.

Rise is 100% correct with respect to the angle of the camera shots, which has been verified, although I can’t recall exactly who it was, that gave that explanation and backed it up.

I believe it was JazzProphet who addressed the meaning behind Jack’s tattoo. Jack was brought into “the others” camp, and walked among them, but was NOT one of them, or something to that effect. I will let Jazzie explain the full meaning, as she does it so beautifully.

Somehow, I don’t get the impression that Quarantine was making a joke about the ex-wife!! lol

veg, ditto what dab said.

He was on the flight manifest. His landing in the jungle may have some significance, but I doubt very seriously that he’s an other.

Not being able to see something that should have been visible for a mile is nothing new to cinema.

Perhaps the most famous example of this is THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY (also it’s predecessors A fistful OF dollars and FOR A FEW dollars MORE, but for this comment i will focus on my personal favorite of the three.)

In the film men appear out of nowhere when they should have been visible all along, men walk down the street in full view with no one able to shoot them, simply because they are not in the same frame with them. Their vision is limited to the sides of the screen.

At important moments of the film, what the camera can’t see, the characters cannot see. This even goes so far as to disguise a vast encampment of civil-war era troops til the charecters are stumbling into it’s midst.

this is used simply to give a sense of suprise that wouldnt be possible with just practical shots.

The possible explination that Jack is slowly coming to his senses after a crash and that’s why he can’t see or hear the carnage at first is VERY plausible. Buti just felt like ranting about THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY in reference to LOST.

that was really good…

i’m gunna go smoke and take a nap.

vegarover: There is a very good reason that Jack woke up in the jungle instead of the beach. You can find the answer here : It is a part of the complete DVD Box set on the special features diskette; or here http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_GenesisofLost or here on a nine minute video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eipnomw7f0

Sorry,that link is : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eipnomw7f0 This is crazy the ipnomw7f0 should be showing as capital letters,but my computer has seemingly took on a life of it’s own? :((

about 2:05 into the Pilot they show a shoe in a tree…..I’ve seen that before, where though ? I think its a big clue

JD, I once had a beloved theory about that tennis shoe. Basically, having spotted hanging from the tree, I then noticed something peculiar about Christian Shephard when he appeared on the Island to Jack a few episode later. With his sombre suit he had conspicuously bright, white footwear… The tennis shoe!

I theorised he had found both tennis shoes and worn them, and then ‘appeared’ to Jack and pretended to be a figment of his imagination when he was in actual fact alive and well.

This theory for “shot to sunshine” when I re-watched and noticed the bit where Christian appears standing knee-deep in the ocean, and then pretty much disappears before Jack’s eyes. No chance a real life Christian managed that.

Now I think: It’s a tennis shoe hanging there as the third conspicuous element in the jungle to clue the first-time viewer into something being eerily wrong (the first being Jack in a suit, the second being Vincent the labrador). Nothing more to find, I feel.

Vegaror, your theory about the 180 degrees pan angle is very very interesting, nevertheless, I can’t bring myself to believe Jack was “planted” in the jungle. I do believe he was in the plane, and he crashed just like everyone else…

Cuz if he was planted in the jungle, then how could he be comforting Rose in the plane when it was hitting turbulence? And if you think maybe that was fake, Rose does say to him “I’m letting you off the hook with your promise”

But i’m still giving you a +1 for thinking outside the hatch :D

KateSawJack’s link pretty much clears up the Jack waking up in the jungle question

dab - do you have the link to Jazzprophet’s explanation of Jack’s tatoo. I thought there was more to it than a reference to him being amongst the Others - “That’s what it says, not what it means” and all that….

I’m surprised that no-one else has bought up another interesting point about a character and the pilot. Kate first appeared walking out of the jungle. Whilst I’m not suggesting she wasn’t on the plane, why would she be walking the jungle. We know Kate’s a runner, but I still found it weird.

But then I’ve been heavily suspicious of Miss Lilly throughout season 1. Could she be another Other? Especially if Dezza was meant to turn the failsafe key ;-)

Don’tDis, I wish I could recall, but unfortunately I don’t. The best I can offer, is that it was one of Jazzie’s episode recaps. I believe it was about 2 weeks ago, though, if that helps any! Sorry!

tragicclown, thanks for shooting down my theory, you’re right about Jack and Rose =)

Actually, that’s the thing that’s so tough about this show, there are so many hours of material to sift through (unlike a movie) that its easy to forget small things like Jack comforting Rose on the plane.

I’m gonna try katesawjack’s link when I get a chance, thanks.

StayPuft, I could be wrong, but I think Kate was getting her handcuffs off before anyone saw her.

Agree with Annie. Women are like that. I remember one time with the beloved ex, somebody knocked on our door unexpectedly in the middle of the afternoon. I answered the door, and there is Beloved’s MOTHER. I had to entertain her by myself for about 25 minutes. Why? Because Beloved refused to come down stairs until she could get her handcuffs off. I had the key, and all she had was a closet full of hangers.

I still laugh and damn near pee myself every time I think about that.