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a well thought out theory. alot of people have made the mistake of saying “THE BOAT IS A DHARMA BOAT!” and not had ANY evidence to back it up. you have provided good evidence for your theory. +1 from me.

+1 from me too! I have always been bugged by the way Ben told Michael he would ‘find rescue’. And I like your point about Ben saying ‘we haven’t met’. It does seem like he’s giving her a message.

I’m just about to watch S3 again and I’m so glad I found this site first. Sharp eyes (and ears), Missus!

Your theory sinks of its own weight. According to your own math, Ben sends Michael out to meet a freighter that won’t be in position for 21 days. So…Ben knows where the freighter is going to be in 21 days? And, since he gave Michael no instructions (e.g. when you get 80 miles away, STOP), Michael has no reason to wait. That little boat was not provisioned for a 21 day trip.

When Naomi is discovered, she speaks a variety of languages. She happens to hit on one that only Mikhail understands. I saw her trying repeatedly to communicate, and I saw nothing to indicate that she was trying to hide anything from anybody. The only one hiding anything in the referenced scene was Mikhail himself.

As for Ben’s turn of phrase, it is just Ben’s way of speaking - sort of formal. In the same way, he tends to politely introduce himself, e.g. when he meets the imprisoned Jack as his true self for the first time. It seems an odd thing to say, but Ben is simply well educated, and something of a gentleman.

I respectfully disagree.

sorry im not bying in to the whole idea of Ben manipulating jack to call the frieghter. Ben could of went to the temple with richard and jack would of still made the call. Because Ben needed to trek through the island to stop Jack making the call just proves that Ben does not want the frieghter to find the island. Whether Ben was there or not Jack would of still rang the frieghter, therefore not a benupliation.

Apart from that i do agree with michael and Walt being picked up by the frieghter

I think the freighter must have picked up Michael and Walt also.However, I think Naomi thought she was talking to DI when she spoke to Mikhail as he was wearing the DI gear.The only thing I can come up with is that Ben is playing both sides and is ready to step back in with Dharma.He wants Jack to make the call so that the rest of the Others don’t realize its what Ben wants.(hope this makes sense)+1 mrs.

See, I’d have been inclined to think Ben wanted nothing to do with the freighter and that it’s mere presence on the near coast was bad enough. However, in my re-watching of S3 I’m just about up to where Naomi first appears, and the stuff you have said here is white hot.

I’m inclined to agree about Mikhail being en route to intercept Naomi. (Whether it be simply because he was alerted to the crash when it happened, or knew beforehand. Alternatively, he could have just been on a ‘tape run’ between Juliet and Ben!) However, his first words to her are, as you say, very interesting. I’ll watch and keep in mind - maybe something was cocked and loaded in these episodes.

Ben’s “find rescue” was always a deliciously ambiguous phrase. +1

Thanks for your comments guys.

Quarantine, respectfully I don’t think the theory does sink under the weight of the figures. We know from Desmond that when he left the island in his boat he was sailing round for at least two weeks. Why should this be any different for Mike and Walt? And the point I am making is precisely that the freighter was there and waiting anyway. He didn’t need 21 days to get to the freighter.

Pacey I think Ben will go to any lengths to Benipulate. Even getting imprisoned, tortured and beaten up. The more against a situation Ben is, the more likely it is, to me at least, that he is trying to bring about the very thing he says he doesn’t want. Locke blowing up the submarine comes to mind as just one example.

really like the theory Mrs (+1) - I think I am coming round to the idea that this is the biggest Benipulation of all. However, just because Ben knows it’s coming, does that have to mean it is a Dharma boat? Could it be a rival organisation ready for a Second Purge in collusion with Ben?

Also, Quarantine - Naomi said that she had been searching for the island’s coordinates on a “fool’s errand” so isn’t it possible that the freighter had been out there for a while searching, meaning (i) M&W were picked up after less than 21 days after leaving and (ii) Ben wasn’t guessing where the boat would be 21 days in advance. of course, Naomi could be lying but you can’t rule this out…

mrs. — great ideas. I’m with your reading of Ben. And it seems like Mikhail is often his go to guy when it comes to doing things that the rest of the Others aren’t in on. As to the fact that Jack would have made the call anyway—first, like you, I read that as typical Ben strategy (what I think of more and more as the Br’er Rabbit) appraoch) and second, I’m trying to think about what this strategy accomplishes. It makes Jack desperate to make the call as soon as possible. So he’s not going to wait around and talk to John about why John doesn’t think it’s a good idea. It forces Jack’s hand and it creates a Jack/John split among the Losties.

+1 I tend to agree with the idea that the overall set up is a benipulation, but I really think its probably not dharma on the boat, or if it is then ben, and mikhail, and maybe a few select Others, are setting themselves up to play both sides of the fence. When the freighter hits the beach and sees the carnage, it seems unlikely they will think the Losties are the good guys, maybe the greatest benipulation will be ben convincing the freighties, whomever they are, that the losties were actually responsible for the purge. The loose end with this idea is that the writers will have to explain exactly how Naomi knew desmond was on the island and to say she was looking for him.

lockeko - that would be a great twist

+1. Mrs right with you. This adds to/complements my theory called ‘All going to plan’. The Naomi stuff is great.

I’m on the fence about believing it, but I like the theory. I think Ben never intended Walt to get away , and the freighter business is a nice twist.

I like this theory, Missus! +1

I would have to agree that Mikhail was definitely on his way to intercept, Naomi. He may not have known who he would be encountering, anymore than Naomi knew who she would be encountering. She not only spoke to Mikhail in various languages, but did so in front of Jin, Hurley and Desmond.

I truly believe that Ben did not want Walt on “the island”, or to come back. I also believe that he would NEVER allow either of them to return to the “real world”, either. Whether he planned it or not, the freighter could have picked them up, or they could return to “the island”, as Desmond did, after sailing in circles. Either way, it is Ben who is calling the shots! I am not certain that is ‘Dharma” on the freighter, though. I am thinking a Widmore, Paik, Hanso connection. Nice work!

Jaz I think you should seriously think about TMing the Brer Rabbit Approach, lol. Ben is SO complex you just don’t know if the whole thing is one big con but I do believe that the more strongly he protests the more he wishes a thing done.

Leko you make an excellent case. Its entirely possible that is why Ben wanted to look beat up, so that the Losties would look like hostiles. Good thoughts!

Everyone else, top discussion thanks! I’d +1 all of you if I could :-)

Btw Dab what do you think Ben wants to happen to Mike and Walt? Why not just kill them rather than letting them go? What is that man up to???!!!!

Mrsmrs, first of all, so glad to ‘see’ you back. That blackout was scary!

Now to your theory; Excellent pickups on the dialogue! I also agree with lockeko’s take on it, sounds alot like something Ben would set up.

A big +1 from me. :-)

Missus, I am uncertain what Ben is up to in terms of Walt and Michael. We know that Ben considers ALL potential outcomes, before executing a plan. I feel they do serve a purpose, but no idea as to what that is!

Great discussion!

Mrs…dont let the theory writing distract you from your number 1 priority.

Mission ‘Take Me to Vegas again, Baby!’

i like it missus great ideas +1

maybe ben knows that the freighter is a

“rescue team” BUT also food supplies,

who knows?

nino, good thinking! Ben is short on food supplies, according to his diary. That fits in perfectly. :-)

I agree I think if Ben hadn’t shown up and said things like ‘If you make that call every single living person on this island will die’ and ‘Do it, John! Shoot him!’ theres no way in hell Jack would have made that call.

mrssawyer, I think the reason Ben allowed Michael to leave is simple, Michael shot himself, and if you’re a guy that like to “pimp”, a person that shoots himself is the perfect “trick”. I think Michael and Walt were caught or saved by the freighter that is 40 miles of the island.

I will say this to your theory mrssawyer, I think that Michael may have contacted Ben (please see above), and now Michael is a person on the inside of the force that is trying to save the losties. I can’t see why or how the losties will ever accept Michael as a friend or comrade. Michael is now totally dedicated to Ben, and therefore the perfect “trick”.

Good theory, mrssawyer. I also think Mikhail was expecting and/or seeking out Naomi. He could have been a double agent , and she recognized him as her contact. Or maybe he just saw an opportunity for a way off the island. In any case, he was looking for her.

I think Ben is clever - a chess master for the real world. I think, though, that many of the theories here tend to raise him to near god-hood in his omniscience, frequently requiring him to account for accidents and happenstance. I think he is more interesting as a mere man with flaws and limitations.