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hi! thought i’d throw my end in, how about this…

when desmond accidentally(?) crashed the plane by being late pressing the button (or whatever it was), the ensuing phenomenon created duplicates of our losties.

i think i’ve come to accept that now so if it hasn’t occured to you then i can fill you in on the details.

anyway, consider that the on-island versions, (as opposed to the off-island versions found in an ocean trench), were quite literally given a new life on the island in their new forms.

in the case of locke, i believe that since his paralysis was neither a genetic nor a mental ailment this defect was not replicated in his new self.

this in turn opens up the alternate reality aspect, which could go a long way to explaining why our losties seem so familiar in their new habitat, having potentially been/being there on multiple occasions.

i can see how this theory could begin to explain the flashbacks - could they be memories from their former conciousness, not necessarily applicable to their current form?

sorry, i’ve taken over your theory, what do you think?

good theory. kind of similar to desmond’s reasons for doing what he does.

how could memories be transplanted.

I agree, after seeing the orchid I posted a theory saying that 815 and the passengers where replicated, but I don’t think this explains Lockes healing as I think the replication would be exact. Also to consider is Roses cancer, which in all likelihood could have a genetic cause, and then Jin’s sterility which again could be genetic.

and, I have a problem with bilocation theory, because, it is my understanding that when bilocated, i.e. the Philadelphia Experiment, the people bilocated actually disappear from one place and appear in another. That is because one of the basic laws of physics, in my understanding, is that an atom can only occupy one particular space at any given point in time. Therefore bilocation does not seem like a good explanition for the Orchid Video.

Well I’m not a physicist, but it is my understanding that if teleportation were possible, what would actually happen is the ‘teleport machine’ (to use a technical term!) would copy the teleported object and rebuild it at a another location and then for simplicity’s sake destroy the original. But the magnetic anomally was not a functioning machine it was a release of raw energy, so what that Orchid theory suggests is that stage1 of the teleportation happened, without stage 2. Do you know of any other Orchid theories?

two rabbits with the # on them is what I’m sticking with. I’m not a physicist either, but I thought teleportation was reducing matter to atoms and them moving all the atoms and putting them back together again. I could be completely wrong but that’s my understanding

Well teleportation is not a reality so I suppose either could be true if and when it does become a reality. So you are saying that the Orchid was supposed to be some kind of con? I thought the fact it was ‘discovered’ off island in Norway was a clue pointing to the fact the Orchid was an experiement gone wrong, and that the swan was either the orchid itself or a station constructed to keep the Orchid disaster (incident?) under control.

Any physical matter can and does occupy every point in space that is possible until observed, as demonstrated in the quantum physics movie, What the bleep do we know, down the rabbit hole. So maybe this EM enigma on the island that Desmond released somehow broke that law of observation, and the potential beings of the passengers of 815 and even the airplane were seperated from the observed beings, allowing both to occupy adjacent spaces. This can be applied to the Orchid rabbit 15, but it still doesn’t explain why they should not be near each other. Maybe it’s because one will kill the other and gain superpowers like that Jet Li movie, The One. :) +1

Excellent theory!! CPB I never would have thought about that.

I think if the explanation is purely scientific, it has to avoid teleportation of all natures. But there was an episode of quantum leap where Sam came in contact with his younger self and nothing exploded.

CPB, I guess I am saying the video might not be what we all think it is. Maybe one rabit was diseased, who knows?

Lockeko, that could be a possibility (the diseased rabbit) but by having a scientific explanation for everything, they could have meant it would be based on scientific theory rather than scientific fact. I’ve tried and for the life of me can’t explain the Monster by scientific fact.

maybe not scientific, but what if its a shared hallucination. We know how strong the power of suggestion is, maybe thats what’s going on. I am assuming you mean the monster that killed the Pilot, not necessarily the smoke monster. I think the writers can pull it together without resorting to sci fi, but I guess its their choice. Personally I would prefer a mystical solution rather than sci fi, but I thats probably not a popular opinion

Well I think it is more or less given that those monsters are one and that same (or at least of the same type if there is more than one). I think there will be a mix of science and mysticism to the show, the island itself is mystical and Dharma bring’s the science element into it. In Season 1 it seemed purely mystical, then Season 2 it all seemed to lean heavily towards a scientific explanation, but in Season 3 I think we have seen both elements mixed and this is how I think the show will continue.

I’m not sure what it means, if anything:

“…In Translation.” Sun has lost her wedding ring. Jack tells her that he lost his once, too. He looked everywhere. Sun asks him where he found it. Jack says he didn’t; he had a replica made, and nobody ever knew the difference.

Character moment? Or clue?

Jack knew, and a replica of a ring is much different than a clone or bilocated human

CPB - This is a great discussion. +1

Are a scientific and a mystical explanation necessarily mutually exclusive? Isn’t quantum theory mystical?

Also - teleportation is a reality. It was accomplished in 2006 in Copenhagan, though not with people but information in an atom.

From wikipedia a paragraph about replication in quantum teleportation:

It is not clear if duplication of a human would require reproduction of the exact quantum state, requiring quantum teleportation which necessarily destroys the original, or whether macroscopic measurements would suffice. In the non-destructive version, hypothetically a new copy of the individual is created with each teleportation, with only the copy subjectively experiencing the teleportation. Technology of this type would have many other applications, such as virtual medicine (manipulating the stored data to create a copy better, or perhaps radically different, than the original), a sort of suspended animation (by creating a copy many years after the information was stored), or backup copies (creating a copy from recently stored information if the original was involved in a mishap.)

What do you think? The ‘originals’ were involved in a mishap alright.

Katydid: I can’t believe you just asked that. You’re posts are usually so intelligent and so erudite, that asking “isn’t quantum theory mystical” really floored me.

Science is the search for natural explanations. Mysticism is the abandonment of that search. Ask a new question, and Science says “we don’t know yet.” Mysticism says it’s magic.

Quantum physics is weird and counterintuitive. It is not mysticism.

A problem with all this - the insurmountable problem, I think, is that this explanation is not accessible to the average viewer. On top of that, what does that explanation look like? A two part episode of Ben sitting down on the beach with Jack, Kate, Sawyer, a white board and some dry erase makers, and he starts to explain, “Well Jack, there are 6 fundamental flavors of quark which makes up all matter, and which transmits the basic forces of nature, they are up, down, top, bottom strange and charmed….”

If it isn’t entertaining, and if it can’t be told in a story, if it isn’t accessible to the average TV viewer, and if it can’t be revealed in 44 minutes, then we are quarking up the wrong tree.

Thanks guys it was a great discussion, but in absolutely no way relevant to the theory I posted! Quantum physics is a real can of worms and way to heavy for me at the moment so I wanna end it all here (the discussion) and asked what does everyone think of my theory?

if we are going to go into the idea of clones perhaps we should explore the idea that albert does indeed age, we’re just seeing a clone of him

CPB I like your theory a lot but I have to say other than Locke calling Kate Helen I don’t think you have any real evidence to support it. Which is a shame because it could be a really interesting possibility.

+1 though because it was inventive!

I like your theory CPB. I think love is a big issue in Lost, Sun and Jin, Jack/Sawyer and Kate, Rose and Bernard, Charlie and Claire, And of course my favourite Des and Penny. I think that when it comes down to it love conquers all. I partly agree with Mrs Sawyer that there isn’t a lot of evidence yet to back up the theory but it is certainly a original idea. My one question is if it is Helen that Locke is seeing then how come it was Walt who appeared at the end of the pit to rescue John from commiting suicide? +1

with MrsS on this but +1

Ben to Locke ‘No you brought him to the island John’ refering to Anthony Cooper. Perhaps John needed to get rid of Cooper and wipe him from his life so that he could bring Helen to the island certainly if it was not for his Dad John would be a married man. The island gave John back his legs as a reward for his faith, Perhaps now the island will give John back Helen as a reward for his sacrifice of Cooper. Perhaps it is course correcting what should have been. Im blabbing now but hey it is friday!!!

hi all!

i was thinking more about parallel dimensions than translocation, though that might also occur seperately via portals in other special locations around the earth. the bermuda triangle would be the most famous example of a portal / vortex, could be worth researching…

as far as the technical accuracy of the show, didn’t tptb say that science or pseudo-science would be able to explain everything? i think the use of the word “pseudo-science” allows them to stretch the imagination of the avid fan, whilst still allowing the more passive viewer to enjoy the show.

also, just a thought on lockes ability to walk and the idea of having moved to a parallel universe…

when walt appears to locke in the pit he has to REMIND john that he can walk. could it be that the gunshot had made him black out, and upon waking he had simply thought that either his experience on the island had been a dream (lame), or that he had shifted back to his original universe.

honestly, watch the scene again, paying attention to johns facial expression when walt says “you CAN walk, john”

either way i think the purpose of walts projection to john was simply to remind him that he was still just the same as when he was shot, but with a bullet where his kidney should be!

+1 to everyone for sticking up against “the others” !

Guys, I think the sunken aircraft and dead bodies was a decoy / set up by the company / agency in an attempt to prevent people looking any further for the crash site. Obviously now they have discovered the Island the company do not want it made public. Which company / agency I don’t know, but obviously the others have communication with someone off the Island. Hence the endless supplies.

They sent Richard into the real world to get Juliette on side. Has anyone mentioned that he hasn’t aged a day since Ben met him as a little boy.

I think there is relevance in some sort of time or space travel. How? I’m not quite sure. You remember how Rose is atoned to the Island hence her cancer has gone, as is Lock because he gained the use of his legs. But not everyone, it was explained to Rose in Australia that everyone had a different frequency, reletive to hotspots around the world. I believe Richard is atoned to the Island as he hasn’t aged a day in 30 years or so when Ben first met him outside the sonic barrier. He was also wearing torn / tatty clothes. Almost pirate like. I believe Richard was on the black rock and hasn’t ageg in a couple of hundred years due to his link with the Islands power.

Another thing is the mention of taking words literally. In the flash foward, I don’t believe Jack’s dad was alive. Jack was using this as a hypothetical statement.

“If you bring my father down here and I’m more drunk than him I will resign”

He father is dead, meaning no way of proving who’s more intoxicated, hence Jack was not going to resign!!!

just to clarify, i do think the island has special healing powers etc, i just don’t think that applies to johns leg. happened too quickly for one thing..

My problem with Locke from the very beginning was his unwillingness to tell anyone else about his healing. If I was paralyzed and crashed on an island and regained the ability to walk, I would be telling everyone what happened to me and how great the island was. If someone told me they wanted to get off the island, I would tell them of the healing I enjoyed and why I don’t want to leave.

The only reason I wouldn’t share that news is if I knew that my healing would come at the expense of someone else’s life.

Yet, Rose knows as well and tells no one…why?

excellent point!

Clearly John confused his ‘walkabout’ with the events that would take place on the island. Whatever source has convinced Locke that he has some great destiny coerced him into viewing his miraculous healing as confirmation of his great destiny and the source’s accuracy. Let’s be honest……what paraplegic would’ve brought a case of knives, studied hunting boar, how to make glue out of animal fat….it’s just ridiculous to believe that Locke didn’t anticipate that he’d be walking again. It doesn’t matter if he was paralyzed due to some funky implant(like Aaron’s illness) or if the island can actually heal, it’s more significant to realize that Locke’s source of information knew the miracle would happen and used that knowledge to take advantage of Locke. He now believes that he is on a predestined path to greatness. He’s in for a shock lol

I think you are a bit harsh on locke there rbs. I see Locke walking on a rope with Greatest on one side and insanity on the other he will fall that is for sure but where will he land?

I agree with the Missus on your theory CPB. There is no supporting evidence, to back it up.

I would agree with the statements made by Locko, regarding the “shared hallucination”, and Locks CD’s ideas about Translocation, as I believe that pseudo-science plays an integral part of Lost. Unfortunately not many people make theories on this subject and I wish they did!

Good discussion and points by all.

Well I think the point of Lost is to read between the lines, and I think that Helens story is not over. Assuming the Monster is what is what is responsible for the visions, I think it reads their minds (the bright lights?) and then creates images they are emotionally invested in to exploit them. Consider the first time the Monster chases Jack,Kate and Charlie in the Pilot, Jack was separated from them for a long time during which time we don’t know what happened to him, could the Monster have ‘scanned’ Jack at that time, as a few episodes later his dad appears to him on the island?

I think you all have got the wrong “Helen”. Helen was the name of Locke’s girlfriend in the 2nd season, but Helen was also the name of the phone sex operator that Locke was talking to in the very same episode that he called Kate “Helen.”

I think it’s a very good possibility that Locke saw Helen on the island, and his doing so could go toward explaining why Locke saw the island as beautiful. The writers took some time before showing us Ben’s interaction with his “mother” on the island, they would do the same with a similar Locke interaction. Both Ben and Locke seem to have the same regard for the island, perhaps for the same reason?