(Group 1: Two for the Road) Roundabout?
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By jazprof
- (Group 1: Two for the Road) Roundabout?
- Created: Nov 8, 2007
- Last updated: Aug 14, 2008
- After episode: 3.22: Through The Looking Glass
- Status: Current
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Well just randomly I’ll start with the “Say Anything” reference, because, after all, the radio IS key!
— jazprof
Though I generally see a theme of repetition, I don’t really have a unifying idea on this episode, and lots of questions left—thought maybe if I just list a bunch of them they could be springboards for other ideas.
1) Well just randomly I’ll start with the “Say Anything” reference, because, after all, the radio IS key! The evil and manipulative father is certainly a Lost connection. What I find most interesting though is a contrast between thinking of the radio as either a device for communication, or as the communication itself. Hurley asks Sayid for the radio; Sayid mentions that the radio only worked momentarily and is now mostly giving off static—Sayid’s focus is on the radio as communication device and it’s ability to help them get off the island. Hurley doesn’t care as much about the radio as a device—the radio itself is the communication—the communication to Libby that he cares for her. Hurley’s focus is on island.
2) Circles & Identities: Christian—AC’s recent post on Alex’s name and the idea that Dharma gave lesser identities to people based on their function (Roger Workman) made me notice that when Christian and Ana meet they both talk about having lost their work identities (stopped being a cop, stopped being a doctor). And then I also noticed what I thought was an odd line Christian has about fate—that fate has brought Ana and he together for the same reason fate does anything—”so that we can help each other out.” That’s not what I usually associate with fate. It does seem to connect with Hurley’s use of the radio though, and of the general theme of cooperation as a means (vs. fear) on the show. The names they adopt too are repeats—Tom, Kate’s former love; Sarah, Jack’s former love. And Ana’s meeting with Christian in the bar prefigures Ana’s meeting with Jack. I’m not exactly sure how these two were supposed to help each other out, but I don’t think it succeeded. One thought was that Christian’s most important identity—and the one his fate is circling back to—is not being a doctor, it’s being Jack and Claire’s father. Which also got me thinking—why does he need a bodyguard in order to try and visit his daughter? That seems to speak of some powerful forces not wanting him to make that connection? Is it just Lindsey (Claire’s Aunt) that he’s afraid of? Maybe where this failed is when Ana left Christian at the bar where he runs into Sawyer—he mentions fate again. Fate has put the bar there? So that Christian can return to his identity as an alcoholic? There seem to be benevolent and tragic versions of repetition going on. In the benevolent version, fate keeps giving Christian the opportunity to reflect on his role as father or reconnect with his children. In the tragic one he’s led back to drinking and he encourages Sawyer to go repeat the scene with Frank Duckett only this time with a tragic outcome.
3) Circles & Identities: Ana. The chain of events leading to Ana getting killed seem to be that first she asserts being a cop to Ben. She identifies him as a killer, yet notices that unlike most killers he’s not talking. Of course, she IS talking and the FB is reminding us that she’s a killer. So dividing things into black and white allows her to deny that part of her identity and project it onto Ben. Ben attacks her. She goes in search of a gun to kill him. She has sex with Sawyer to get the gun. Brings it back and tries to use the escaping prisoner routine to kill Ben. She can’t bring herself to do it, but she gives Michael the gun—again in a way denying she’s a killer, but still she would be complicit in Ben’s death if that is what had happened. So maybe it is not only Ana’s identity as a killer which fatally repeats here, but the fact that she doesn’t completely face the fact that she is?
3) Hurley actually does keep going in circles. (Libby references a Flinstones ep where they keep passing the same tree.) I also think about how Libby thinks Hurley is hoarding food again (repeating his old identity) when he’s actually trying to do something new. I’m not sure if this can be tied to Libby’s death or not—her death seems so random. I guess the only thing I can of is that Hurley thought of bringing food, but not about the non-food item, the blankets. Other things I notice but am not sure what to make of—they don’t actually make it to the Sayid/Shannon beach (the beach of doom, I thought), but return to the same old beach. Don’t know what to make of that contrast. And Libby says to Hurley “It’s OK if you’re lost.”—OK to keep going in circles? Keep circling until you get it right?
4) Sawyer says to Jack about Kate “She ain’t in my head, Doc” in Lockedown Sawyer says, “Think you’re in my head, Doc?”—what’s that about?
Key characters
| Short Name | Full Name | Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|
| Ana-Lucia | Ana-Lucia Cortez | 2.20, 2.7, 2.8 | 139 |
| Dr. Christian | Dr. Christian Shephard | 339 |
Key episodes
| # | Title | Aired | Central character | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2.20 | Two for the Road | 5-3-2006 | Ana-Lucia | 96 |
Pertinent question about why Christian needed a bodyguard. My best response was that he needed a bodyguard not for his protection, but to stop him (and therefore protect others). Not a wholly satisfactory answer for me, though.
Great observation - Ana chatting about how killers are talkative. Never put that together. There’s a +1 in the making with this! (Wasn’t Goodwin a defender of Ana’s? Didn’t he claim to be able to “change” Ana? This backs up the idea that she couldn’t be changed and Goodwin was wrong (and was fatally punished for his flawed belief!))
I also like the title of this episode. The two for the road marrying the idea of drinking (one for the road) and the two deaths (Ana and Libby) suggesting they have been set on a different path.
+1 Though I’m drawing blanks about the “ain’t in my head” comments also.
JazzPhilosopher, I also wondered why Christian felt the need for a bodyguard to accompany him. It is hard to conceive, that he would be in need of protection, if he was only encountering Claire and her aunt. So, I think this a clue that perhaps there were other issues at play.
I am not entirely clear about Sawyer’s statements, although it points to the fact, that he has issues about people getting to know who the REAL Sawyer is.
Great observations! +1
Think you have got Sawyer right with that one Dab his whole character points to the fact that he would hate other people to know who he really is and what he really thinks. Great post Jazproof. +1
He didn’t need a bodyguard at all. It was his responsibility to get Ana Lucia onto Flight 815. He’s involved!!!!(you heard it here 10001st)
Maybe Christian wanted Ana to save him from himself. She leaves him and instead of taking her advice to go home, he drank himself to death.
Or did he Sham? Im still not convinced that he is dead at all.
As I understand it, we are supposed to get a definitive answer next season, but if I had to bet on it, I’d say he’s dead.
La signorina Jazz-eppi, di giorno buona!!! I like the connections you’ve put together here — particularly the Ana Lucia self denial. It is very interesting that she couldn’t see the traits in herself that she was using to identify a killer. You also reminded me that the Others were very likely making regular use of the Pearl station to monitor how Ben was being treated. The question then becomes; did they see a trend among the 815ers that would ultimately put Ben’s life in danger, or was it a repeat performance (ala time loop) that caused them to actively seek out Michael to allow Ben’s eventual escape? +1 Jazz-eppi.
Thanks, Jam! That is how I see Sawyer.
Oooooo, Rise! I really love that idea about getting Ana on board #815. I never thought of that angle, but it’s a good one! Really good!
Shammie, you could be right, but I think we may see him alive, so to speak!
Loop dude, loop.
Great post Jaz you’ve inspired a few ideas that I will post. +1
I don’t think it’s that big of a stretch Kat, seems to me to fit into the ‘laws’ of the Lost universe. People are manipulated by one of the ‘two sides’, usually to protect their families, so your hypothetical has a shot. While I’m positive one or both of these ‘sides’ had ‘agents’(course-correcters, spirit-guides…pick your poison) steering Losties onto the plane, I think it’s possible that some of the Agents ensured their children would also get a ‘golden ticket’, and I’m thinking Christian did this with Jack & Claire. Christian could’ve been doing his job by getting Ana Lucia on board, but also took care of his family by getting Jack & Claire on board. Perhaps in order for his kids to get on 815 he had to get Ana on, the price of admission so to speak. Ain’t it fun speculating though? lol
This episode,more than any other really hints at the loop.Libbys comment about the flintstones and the whole fate theme point to the inevitable happening over and over again. Great post Jazz and great comments and yeah dharmacide, dude..the loop.
just a though on the names being your given identity. Shephard is the same as Shepherd is defined as : *a clergyman who watches over a group of people
watch over like a shepherd, as a teacher of her pupils
sheepherder: a herder of sheep (on an open range); someone who keeps the sheep together in a flock
tend as a shepherd, as of sheep or goats*
Could be something with Christian’s affliation with Dharma or the Island? Just a thought.
Excellent post as always, jaz!
And a great discussion… sorry to get into it so late! But y’all have it more than covered. :-)
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