IF…. time moved differently
+2 6 Votes
Rate it:
By tharde5
- IF…. time moved differently
- Created: Nov 6, 2007
- Last updated: Aug 14, 2008
- After episode: 3.22: Through The Looking Glass
- Status: Current
- Flag this theory:
If time were moving much slower on the island the women would not be able to have children
— tharde5
.IF time moved differently on the island ‘what’ would be affected?
It has been suggested, by the producers, that time ‘might’ move differently on the island. If we accept this as truth, then this ‘might’ be at the root of the pregnancy problem.
If time were moving differently on the island this could be the problem with the gestation period in the women on the island. If time were moving much slower on the island the women would not be able to have children because part of the problem would be that the nine month process would be unable to move at the same rate as the surroundings (on-island).
We have been given the information, by Juliet, that the problem is occurring at the point of conception. At this point the cells begin dividing. If the cell were moving at a different rate than the human body is prepared to handle, this would be a significant issue. The body could begin to reject the fetus from the outset and when allowed to come to term the amount of time in the womb is far too long, for the unborn, and the miscarriage ensues. The womb is completely devastated that it seems to have aged much further then that of the outside body. Thereby explaining the comments about the much older womb in a younger woman.(womb of a 60yr old woman in the body of a 30yr old.) The aging of the womb and the body rejecting the pregnancy creates complications that the mother cannot recover from, creating the death of the mother. Ben doesn’t want to let Juliet leave because off the island the women would have no problem having children. The problem only exists on the island. These are known and accepted realities. But if the island and surroundings move much slower than the known off island time, then the fetus could be developing at a much quicker pace
For Example A woman gets pregnant and what seems to her as a day is actually weeks long. Her surroundings tell her she’s been pregnant for only two days but the fetus is already weeks along. Her body cannot adapt to such a rapid change. The demands of the fetus change but the mothers’ body cannot handle such a massive change in such a short time.
The body which needs the complete gestation period cannot handle such rapid change and therefore begins to reject the fetus almost immediately. The body needs the normal progression of time so that it can handle the slowly increasing demands of the unborn child.
This ‘difference’ in time might also lend itself to other explaination as well. The one that comes to mind is the sedative self-administered by Juliet before traveling to the island and also the unexplained knock out punch delivered to Naomi when she arrived. It took her quite a while to recover from an unusual injury from her parachute crash landing.
???Just an idea??
Would it not have been apparent (to Juliet, at least) that the foetus that was unborn was far larger and more ‘along’ than she would have expected?
I’m not even sure where I stand on the time moving different off Island theory, either. Don’t happen to have any links to theories that could change my mind, do you?
Yes I agree that it would nave and as far as we have been told that is the most likely scenario. We also know that Ethan was administering something directly into the mothers. We really dont know anything that would suggest otherwise. I believe that Juliet is privvy to all of this ‘potential’ information but she hasnt told us anything to the contrary. She did however tell Sayid that if she told him everything that he would kill her! So I would tend to believe that she is ‘in’ on alot of island secrets that we arent.
As far as other theories related, I hope that there are none otherwise I would be sponging other peoples idea. That is something that I’m not very fond of. The facts that might be instrumental to this idea Richard and his agelessness that has been much theorized. And as I stated at the top producers have mentioned that time might not move the same on the island. The other ‘fact’ (if you can call it a fact?) is Walt appearing considerably older to Locke in the pit.
I like it. Maybe Juliette always thought the women were farther along in pregnancy than the women claimed (got their times mixed up or something) because she herself is in the dark about the time on the island issue?
I think it’s a possibility tharde especailly as you tied in the older womb reference-hmmm I had an idea this morning—think I’ll post separately.
Ozzig- I would tend to agree with that she might have been shown pregnant women who already have reached term or what she thought was full term. Her comment to Ben that the problem was at conception might just point to the fact that she wasnt present during the early phases of the pregnancy. I wonder if that is why they “locked:” the women in that secret nursery, perhaps to hide the rapid development from Juliet?
Jazzy: Thanks,If I sparked an idea in your mind that would be the highest compliment!!!! now go solve this pregnancy issue for us all.
I don’t know if I can buy in to this one. Maybe I’m not fully grasping what you’re saying. But it seems to me that if time is different on the Island, then a person’s internal system would be protected. I mean, you mention cell division; if cells were not affected by this time anomoly, then there would be massive tumors within everyone. (Hmmm…Ben had a tumor…) But I think it would stand to reason, if cells were affected this way, so would everything else. The heart would beat too fast (or too slow), Everyone’s metabolism would speed up (or slow down), etc.
I guess one could argue that the island, jacob, or whatever is healing all these ailments are constantly repairing whatever damage that is caused by this, but I think it highly unlikely. But then, what are the chances of the losties being so interrelated? And all the other coincidences that we seem to discover every day? So maybe your theory is plausible after all. I won’t disagree, but I remain highly suspicious.
I gotta agree with dannyBOONE on this one. The biggest hole I see in this theory is why would the fetus would not be subject to the same time dilation effect as everything else on the island.
Bars are rusting, bodies are decaying, fire burns, and electricity works so I see no reason why fetal development should get an exemption from the natural laws of things.
Trees are producing fruit and presumably growing new trees. Theoreticly if the island does prevent aging the trees could be ageless same as its speculated Richard is. Same goes for the wild boars. Either they are reproducing, ageless, or being stocked by Dharma.
dboone: I hear what your saying and realize this to be pretty far out there as far as likelihood. BUT like you say many unusual factors need to be explored otherwise we’d all be sitting here with our fingers in our ears and nothing to talk about. I truly believe that what we are seeing is forcing us to think outside the box. We have seen and been told that something strange is going on with the timelines. even the shows timeline is skewed. Three seasons (three years) having only taken a couple of months? So many hints that time is a factor on the show. The countdown. the clock resetting, vivid flashbacks, why not entertain an idea that time isnt what we assume it to be. And why cant these anomalies create pregnancy issues. I havent seen anything that would disprove it? Right? When solving logical problems sometimes you have to be willing to drop preconcieved notions and think outside assumptions.
bob:I never said that things arent aging. I said that time might be moving differently on the island. That doesnt mean fruit cant grow and things can get rusty, it merely means the time as we know it might be in a different speed. A little slower perhaps. As far as the boars and the bears and the sharks, we know that the DI was conducting experiments perhaps these are the only animals capable of successfully breeding on the island. I havent seen any parrots or rats or any other animals have you? I wonder why that would be, perhaps they too share the birthing issues with humans.
hmm, maybe there’s only enough room on the island for one to be the symbol/womb of healing and life….and that is the island thus why women cannot go full term. i need more coffee
Sorry, this seems silly. If time on the island moves at a different rate than it does elsewhere (which, according to Einstein, it does), time passes at the same rate for the fetus as for the mother. 9 months on the island is nine months on the island.
Example: the closer one gets to the speed of light, the slower time goes by. A pregnant woman on board a ship going near the speed of light would not be pregnant for fractions of a second from her perspective; she would be pregnant for nine subjective months. The fact that time is passing at a different rate elsewhere does not matter. The Earth experiences time differently than does a being on a planet around another star (Einstein shows us that there is no universal “now”) Are our gestational periods affected by the fact that time runs differently on that far off planet? Of course not.
If time runs differently on the island, then everybody on it - including fetuses - experiences it together.
This is a -1.
LOL. Now if only time actually “moved”, then you’d have something.
Tharde having read through the theory and the comments I think I have to agree with WillsDad. It would seem odder to me to if the mother and the foetus weren’t experiencing the same duration of time.
Although having said that perception of time is also very important. For example to a one year old, a year is the whole sum of their existence and therefore a very, very long time whilst for an older person a year is ever-decreasing in its perceived length. Ie instead of 1/1 we have a year being 1/30th of a life or 1/65th of a life.
+1 for making me think about pregnancy and life span at 8.30 in the morning!
Sorry, tharde, but Razor says WillsDad and the missus are right… ;-)
Well there you have it! Because if Razor says so …. then it must be true… Hey??? I have an idea…..Lets ask razor to explain some of the mysteries of the island….. Let me know what he says I’ll be waiting!!!
Ohhh bummer…Well maybe once he’s finished talking to Jacob, maybe he’ll have some time. So I guess for now we’ll just have to wait to find out the all the real answers.
Wills Dad - Lets first deal with the idea that all past scientific evidence were the basis for the mysteries seen on the show. So many examples of unexplained happenings and it too far to reach to see that not everything on the island has a scientific explaination? If we follow you assumptions that 9 months is 9 months, how was Des able to return to his past and relive those moments. Do you honestly believe that everything weve seen on this show can be explained by current science? Why is it so difficult to imagine that what we are seeing is potential. Potential is achieved by getting out of our comfort zone, and thinking of new possibilities. To even consider a far out idea as this one, thinking outside the known scientific world and not accepting that it is impossible. Anythings possible, especially on TV.
Thinking of new possibilities is fine. I eagerly embrace new ideas. Having said that, I don’t, and can’t accept a flawed idea. Accepting the impossible is not being open minded, it is called being an idiot. If the answer is that the sun now circles the earth, and that the space shuttle has to swerve to avoid the moon, then no, I am not going to accept it.
Am I being unreasonable because I don’t believe in cold fusion?
The answers to Lost are probably going to be some kind of sci-fi theme. I am excited to see what that answer is. But you have to adjust your thinking. The heart and soul of sci-fi is putting people into an imaginative environment based on foreseeable extensions of human society, technology, or scientific theory or knowledge.
Science fiction that is based on discredited theories (cold fusion), bad science (“feel that tingling? Its radiation.”), or complete nonsense (time runs differently for different internal organs) is not science fiction, it is … an insult to the thinking members of the audience. Present company excepted.
To back up your claim, you bring up time traveling Des. Well, I would bet that nobody reading your comment fell for that thinking. Time travel is not the same as time running at different rates for various of a woman’s internal organs. When Des time traveled, did all his organs travel with him? Did all his organs experience time at the same rate? Was he breathing fast because his lungs were in a sped-up time field? When he urinated, did the urine fall in slow motion? Did he experience time the same as the other people he interacted with? Did Penny appear to be speaking very slowly? Did the man in the red shoes move particularly quickly?
I could go on and on picking this apart, but, frankly, it’s too easy, and I’m getting bored.
No need to get that upset, tharde… It was just my way of saying “I can’t see time passing at a different speed for mother and foetus”, but hey ho.
I’m with you on something: I don’t think everything in the show will have a scientific explanation. But I also think the writers won’t give us something the average viewer won’t buy, and different time-speeds for mother and foetus… I mean, come on… I know you can do better than that, I’ve read some of your theories.
But if you prefer to take my comment as sort of an insult, that’s up to you. I guess I’m out of your list, right?
Oh, for your information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam’s_Razor
Thardie I can’t remember who posted the theory, or the name of it, but it was a good one and involved the time variation on “the island” as well as scientific information as to why the fetus and the womb are not compatible to carry to term. Your thoughts are along those lines, without the science to back it up. +1
Where the heck is BillFromSanDiego to weigh in on this.
Occam: I see where your coming from and now I understand the Razor reference, I thought that you were referring to yourself in the third person. I was a little dissheveled by the other remarks that you backed up. I of all people realize how far out this idea is. honestly I do. I am a trouble shooter by profession. Quite often thinking outside of the box is required. This idea of the fetus aging at a different rate is pretty wild. I guess it is beyond logic, as well. I really like the idea that time is different on the island. I dont think that time travel, or different dimensions, would be an idea that the writers will use and therefore something just ‘isnt right. I wasnt aware that I even had a list but if I did a few words most certatinly wouldnt exclude anyone, and most certatinly not you. Peace~!
Peace indeed, tharde. I’ve got nothing against thinking outside the box, but I need the ideas to be plausible to back them up. I can buy the notion of time being different on the Island, but I can’t see how it would be different for different parts of the body.
And, my friend, everyone has a list. Believe me. The fact some people is not aware of having their own list doesn’t mean they don’t have one. You’re on my list, by the way.
See you in another life, brutha.
I’m new here, so I’m just asking: This is stupid, right?