Jack and drink vodka.
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By classicalblueturtle
- Jack and drink vodka.
- Created: Nov 3, 2007
- Last updated: Aug 14, 2008
- After episode: 3.22: Through The Looking Glass
- Status: Current
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Having just watched the episode where Julliet travels to the island, I made a note that she drinks a sedative and wakes up in the sub i.e no memory of the journey.
Now compare with Jack on the plane being given two bottles of vodka by the stewardess, one of which he drinks. In the very first episode he tells Kate on the beach he Blacked out as the plane began to crash.
So, here it is. Jack and Julliet were brought to the island by the same means. Someone on the island wanted to make sure Jack survived the crash. This is why he wakes up in the jungle, a fair distance from the beach, whilst all the other survivours are found in the burning wreckage. Note here that Jack was sat next to Rose on the plane. Yet she managed to end up dead on the beach (Jack revived her…what a hero).
Also recall that Locke’s father ended up on the island having blacked out. There then is three people waking up on the island having blacked out. Two of which (maybe three, not checked if Locke’s father drank something before blacking out), drank something given to them by members of the Others.
My idea is that Jack was teleported (hate using that word) to the island to ensure his safe arrival. For what purpose we have partially seen. He has been the leader holding the group together, the doctor healing the sick. Why he does this I am not sure as the island seams to do a better job than him, this begs the question as to why has Jack never wondered how his patients heal so quickley? My guess is that he knows, in part, that the island has amazing healing properties, further supporting the theory that Jack has been to or has known about the island prior to his arrival. This also can be supported by Jack’s insistance of catching that particular flight with his farthers’ coffin; he may have hoped that the island could bring his farther back?
Other thoughts: Why was Charlie on the beach after the crash? We see Charlie on the plane heading to the toilets in first class. He then takes his drugs and the plane begins to experience turbulence. When Charlie realises the plane is in trouble, he exits and takes a seat in first class. But we see that the cockpit and first class end up in the middle of the jungle, so logically with Charlie being at the front of the plane, he should end up with the front section of the plane in the jungle. Yet he is seen on the beach!
Last observation: Season three episode one. When we see the plane crossing over the Others houses, there is an explosion which detatches the tail section. Could that have been a bomb? I believe that the flight was the target of a malicious attack, someone wanted to bring that plane down before it made it to the island. The pilot was flying the plane towards the island all the time, there was no intention of going to L.A. But someone tried to stop the plane reaching its destination, hence the pilot asking Jack how many survived in episode 1.
Conclusion: Jack knew about the island/ DI (poss he was approached by them). He turned them down. Then when his farther dies, in a desperate attempt to bring him back, he arranges to go to the island with his farther’s body. However things take a turn for the worse when someone brings down the plane via a bomb (take your pick on who would want to blow up the plane). Jack wanted to get to that island, but he didn’t count on the plane crashing. He feals guilty and starts a crusade to get everyone rescued no matter what the cost.
Key characters
| Short Name | Full Name | Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|
| Dr. Christian | Dr. Christian Shephard | 352 | |
| Jack | Jack Shephard | 1.1, 1.5, 2.11, 1.11, 1.16, 1.20, 3.9, 3.22, 3.1, 4.10, 4.12, & 3” href=”/episodes/theres-no-place-home-parts-2-3/”>4.13 | 1505 |
| Rose | Rose Nadler | 2.19 | 160 |
Key episodes
| # | Title | Aired | Central character | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1.1 | Pilot, Part 1 | 9-24-2004 | Jack | 379 |
Key events
| Theme | Relevant Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|
| Jack finds empty coffin | 1.5 | 173 |
Key locations
| Theme | Relevant Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|
| Midsection Beach (original camp) | 1.2, 1.3, 1.1, 1.5, 1.4, 1.6 | 323 |
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| Title | Author | Cmnts | Votes | Rating |
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| jacks dad not dead | Beegrrl | 9 | 3 | +1 |
CBTurtle; my first comment is you present a lot of different ideas. Next time, take all of these different ideas and post them seperately. Trust me, you give yourself space to do them justice (and I think you have some good ideas that deserved more space) and allow commenters space to answer them in a more focused manner. However, let’s disregard teleporting. The sheer level of questions that creates rather than resolves renders the concept negligible in my eyes.
‘ll retort on the points presented and perhaps you’ll wish to develop some of these things further. (I’ll add here that you can feel free to disagree. I like it when people arguably disagree with me. I expect the same back.)
1) Jack part of ‘knocked out’ group that were delivered to the Island. You have a theory that I think you blew by linking Jack in. Jack, and everyone else on the plane, were not an organised trip to the Island. Whatever preparations are required, the Oceanic 815 passengers bypased them. They crashed. (I’ll get to the bomb part further on.) However, your point about why people like Juliet and Anthony were unconsciously brought to the Island deserves attention.
2) Charlie sitting in the front section. To my mind, a mistake. Like how Cindy ended up in the tail section. This can, and has been, argued around with all kinds of things to do with time loops and precognition. I’m buying none of them but I might be wrong.
3) Plane blown apart by bomb. No way. Seriously. On this I’m not giving leeway. We’ve been given adequate explanation (Swan Station system failure) to explain the dismantling of Oceanic 815. You can choose to accept it. Or you can choose to chase shadows.
I’m giving +1 for your ideas. I reckon you’ve got more to offer.
I’ve got to agree with Angelo. I’ll use his dissected version of your theory to elaborate.
I don’t think there was a plot to drug Jack to get him safely to the island. In fact, I don’t really believe there was any special circumstance as to Jack landing in the jungle. He was merely thrown a little further from the wreckage and the director needed the viewers to have an anchor to the upcoming chaos of the crash. (ie. this person is important, he is not an extra from star trek, he won’t be killed off in the forseeable future…). However, like Angelo, I find your observation of Jules and Anthony intriguing. Christian was drinking right before his ‘heart attack.’ Perhaps he was drugged? And woke up sometime between Jack identifying his body and 815’s takeoff…meaning Chris is alive and explains the empty coffin. Hmmm..maybe this bears further investigation.
Agree that Charlie’s seat was a mix-up. At least I think it is…
I doubt there was a bomb. Although with the imagery of the plane, I certainly see how one may think so. But mid-air breakups do happen. According to Lostpedia, at the same time as Desmond’s system failure, there’s an earthquake and 815 begins to experience turbulence. Even taking out the electromagnetic discharge that may have occured (I’m no physicist, I wouldn’t know how to explain what it would results it would cause), it is possible to have a midair breakup due to pilot overreaction to wake turbulence (see American Airlines Flight 587. So I’m happy with the stated explanation.
Keep the ideas coming!
original work, not buying teleportation, but if it is revealed as such, I hope we see someone say, “he’s ready beam him up Scotty.”
Hey CBT, I agree with the others above that I buy some but not all these ideas. Actually the main thing I’m in agreement about is the importance of unconsciousness. Jack blacking out may tie in to the other examples you mentioned. I also think there’s a connection to Des blacking out in “Flashes Before Your Eyes.”
Welcome, CBTurtle! I agree with Angelo. You could have made several theories out of this rather that group all your ideas into one.
I’ll tackle the Charlie seat dilemma. According to Lostpedia: “All the passengers are seen in their assigned seats during the flight flashbacks (“Pilot Part 1”) (“Pilot Part 2”). Paranoid about being busted, Charlie leaves his seat and runs forward , eventually entering the left first class lavatory. After the sudden drop in altitude, Charlie crawls back through the first class section and takes a seat in the business section (“Pilot Part 2”)
I hope this helps!
i diasagree,jack landed in those bamboos away from e veryone else for a reason.what that is i have no idea.
I continue to insist all over this site: any theory that starts off with the plane crashing on purpose is WRONG.
First of all, if the pilot has no button that makes the plane break into pieces as we saw it do. I’m not a pilot, but I’m pretty sure they eliminated the “Break the plane into pieces in midair” button on all modern craft.
Second, for someone on the plane to be responsible for pushing the imaginary button, that means that somebody had to volunteer to fall from 30,000 feet or so. Any volunteers?
Third, and here is the kicker: we saw why the plane crashed. It crashed because Desmond saw a rip in Kelvin’s hazmat suit, followed him out, fought with him, accidentally killed him, and was late getting back to the hatch, and did not push the button on time.
If the plane was crashed on purpose, then Cindy the stewardess had to know that Desmond was going to see that rip. Had to know that, of course, Desmond would risk his life to go outside the hatch into a potentially contaminated environment. Had to know that Desmond would see that Kelvin was repairing Desmond’s boat. Had to know that wimpy little Desmond was going to be able to accidentally kill special forces Kelvin. Had to know that Desmond would lose track of time. Had to know that Desmond would be late to push the button. Had to know that Desmond would be late enough to bring down the plane, but not late enough to end the world.
Yeah, I’m sure Cindy had that all figured out.
Can’t we get some kind of consensus on this one point: the facts of the show as we have all seen is that the plane crash was an accident. Nobody aboard planned it. Nobody aboard planned for it. There was an unpredictable sequence of events that led to the crash. We saw it. It was on TV. Instead of focusing on inconsequential vodka bottles, perhaps we could pay attention to the major plot point that completely contradicts the vodka bottle theory.
wills dad : I agree
Also, why drug only Jack. Weren’t there a bunch of people on the plane? Why would only one need to be drugged? I think that’s silly.
And for weeks after the crash people were still finding luggage and stuff in the jungle. Because it fell there, and not at the beach.. Just like Jack.
I’m new here, but it seems that a lot of us take something simple with simple explanations, and twist into elaborate theories until it doesn’t resemble the show I watched anymore.
Wouldn’t the simplest answer probably be the right 1??
Hey, Willsdad: You make some excellent points. Maybe you could make them with a little less….attitude?