The Puzzle Pieces
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By YouAllEverybody
- The Puzzle Pieces
- Created: May 25, 2007
- Last updated: Aug 14, 2008
- After episode: 3.22: Through The Looking Glass
- Status: Current
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How do these pieces fit the puzzle?
-When Locke was lying in the pit after he was shot, there was a skeleton with a bullet hole in the head. Could just be a funny thing the writers wanted us to speculate about, or it could go along with a timeline theory.
-To me, Jack’s dad is DEAD in the flash-forward. I believe this because of the sad look the new doctor gives Jack after he says the ‘drunker’ line. Jack said the line out of frustration about how his dad got away with it (that is until JACK says something).
-A big reason Desmond’s flashes were introduced before the storyline of the finale was to show us that the future can be changed, and that Jack’s flash-forward is not set in stone.
-At first, I thought Charlie should’ve escaped through the window or shut the door behind him after going through it, but I’m pretty sure it was just him accepting his fate because he thought it would save Claire and Aaron. Plus, I believe I saw him lock the door with a latch at the bottom-something he couldn’t have done on the other side-in order to save desmond.
-I might have missed something from the countless posts I’ve read on this site, but are we 100% positive that the person from the newspaper clipping is the person in the coffin? If it is, then I think it’s someone we haven’t met yet. If not, then I actually think it’s someone that the real world is to believe is dead, but really isn’t, and he is still on the island. Kate’s response could be a reaction to them knowing the truth about the person actually being alive and therefore wouldn’t care to go to the fake funeral, and also Jack’s being ‘tired of lying.’ Although, if the world is to believe the person is dead, why would the people covering it up waste their time if no one cares to go to the viewing?
-Why have there been so few questions on this site about Ben referencing ‘the temple’. I thought this was a HUGE line. A temple implies worship/honor, so what is being worshiped/honored? Does it have something to do with the four-toed statue? and does anyone else remember the group of people that are supposedly above ben in the others’ hierarchy?!!! i think we met a stern, older woman at the beginning of the season that is upset with Ben, right? Something to do with some trial? I forget, was it Karl’s trial? (Can someone help?) Anyway, I’m pretty sure we find out then that Ben isn’t the overall leader of their people. So are these at the temple? What’s their relationship to Jacob?
-I think Mikhail is along the same lines as Richard and Locke in terms of the longevity/healing/nine lives stuff. However, I wonder how a guy that gets healed so often can be missing an eye. Wouldn’t it be easier to regenerate an eye than a life? I just think it’s too much of a coincidence that the guy that doesn’t die is still missing an eye.
-I confess that I have no sound reasoning on why Kate isn’t in jail. Maybe took a different name and they told everyone back home that she was dead?
-Jack regrets leaving the island because now Ben’s words are coming true and he knows the answer of how to truly save everyone is on the island.
-Ben not killing the three gunmen on the beach tells me that he either does have good overall intentions for the island, or that he knows something about their futures that we don’t.
-Why are people fretting about Walt’s age? The kid obviously grew up in real life over 2-3 years, but his character was pivitol for the plot so they needed him back (remember Locke and Walt had meaningful discussions about fate and faith, therefore Walt’s appearance was the most influential for Locke in order to get out of the pit). Also, they purposely tried to make his voice sound a lot higher than it probably is in order to compensate for puberty setting in.
-Jacob has something to do with the ‘incident’, and he is his own person, not some time-warped character we’ve already met. His clothes point straight to the Black Rock connection, so why would it be Jack or someone else from the future trying to change the past from another dimension? The island either changed him, or it allowed him to live long enough until Dharma got there and messed him up.
-This is key: Ben says ‘it will kill every LIVING person’. It would’ve been easier to say ‘every person’, so that tells me there are other inhabitants on this island that are dead, but still around.
-Ben also says “history will repeat itself”. Does this mean that the Black Rock could’ve been an earlier version of the plane crash? What I mean is, if history is self-correcting, was the plane crash another attempt to help/stop something that the Black Rock people were first meant to do but failed? Could the Hanso family’s obsession with getting to the island stem from the same emotion/regret that Jack is feeling in his flash-forward, you know, like them ‘failing their fate’ from the Black Rock? Could Jacob’s ‘help me’ be a plea to Locke to help him fulfil his destiny?
-I think the women dying while giving birth is due to the accelerated growth/development of the uterus, which is the same growth/development witnessed in men’s sperm counts, only it has the opposite (negative) effect on reproduction in women.
-I also just watched the Locke/Boone dream sequence and found it very interesting when Boone tells Locke in the tent, ‘I’m here to help you find your way again, so you can help bring the family back together.’ This could just be about reuniting Eko and Yemi, but what if it isn’t? What if it has to do with Jack, Claire, Jack’s dad, and Aaron? Or maybe one of the survivors are decendants of the people from the Black Rock?
OK, so that’s what I think thus far. Give me what ya got….
Nice points.
Also another thing about saying “IT will kill every living person”
I wonder if he is talking about the smoke not jacob. Because jacob isnt an it.
Oh, I just thought he was referencing ‘it’ as the event of the crash survivors leaving the island.
Nice points there!
The trial was juliets by the way (i think), and I think the woman wasn’t higher than ben, but just in charge of carrying out the trials. I still think she answered to ben.
some of my own:
Maybe Mikail’s eye injury was done off the island. Didn’t he say he was a soldier? It makes sense.
‘it will kill every LIVING person’’ I thought was refering to bringing the people on the boat to the island (who I think is darma returning for revenge/new experiments.)
could kate have been in jail already. isn’t the flash forward april 07, a good 3 years after the crash…and been released due to circumstance…or something. I’m not too sure about this.
Thats the best theory yet, although i had to read some bits over a few times to get what u meant.
I think when ben said “history will repeat itself” he meant the 40 people him and richard killed from the dharma initiative? I didn’t understand ur first point though, about the timeline theory and the bullet in the head.
The old woman, was that not at juliets trial when she was to be “marked”? Why was she to be marked anyway?
Maybe they didn’t jail kate because she had already served a sentence on the island and has come out a better person.
What happened to the people Danielle killed? (Alex’s father etc) and why does she never talk about how Alex was taken away from her?
I’m not sure about the point u made about pretending the person was dead, as there would have been no body in the coffin therefore the funeral director would have known no-one was dead. The newspaper article said that the person killed himself and left behind a teenage son. Who had a teenage son?
At the beginning of this theory you mention the reference that Ben made to the ‘Temple’. I had an earlier post called the “Temple of Artemis”. I had theorized that the place that John was supposed to kill his father Cooper was possibly a temple. I think that that healing place we saw a few weeks ago was possibly the Temple of Artemis. Just an idea. I dont remember in what context Ben was using, while speaking of the temple.
Yes, I too was wondering when someone would mention the temple. I didn’t because… well, I didn’t have anything to say about it except that it was said in the show! :-) It’s not like it was an Easter Egg or anything. But I was kind of hoping someone had a theory about it, because I didn’t. Well, except I think there is a reason Ben wants them to go there and perhaps that reason relates to him already knowing that “new arrivals” are coming. But that’s it.
You make some other very good points as well.
About my first point: The ‘timeline theory’ I’m talking about has to do with the whole alternate futures stuff (choices change what is going to happen). I was just trying to point out that there is a weird deja-vu thing going on with a lot of the characters, like the course-correcting and ‘this isn’t what is supposed to happen’ type of stuff.
And yeah, Mikhail’s eye must have been gone before he got to the island. I think that he, Richard, and Locke will all prove to be the ‘faith in the island’ type guys when we get to see Richard and Mikhail’s back-stories, and that’s why the island keeps them alive.
Oh, and sorry, you’re right, it was Juliette’s trial. My bad. Although even if the older lady isn’t higher up than Ben, I’m pretty sure he says to one of the Losties, ‘You think I’m leader of my people, don’t you?’ Or something like that.
And I’ll have to check out the ‘Temple of Artemis’ theory. It’s also interesting that Locke always said that Boone was a sacrifice the island demanded, yet he couldn’t sacrifice his douchy father…or wait, in way, maybe he did.
If the plane was actually found along with all of the bodies (of course, this is assuming Naomi was telling the truth, which could very well not be the case), then isn’t it possible that there could be a ‘fake’ body in the coffin, as in a different human body than the supposed dead person? However, now I seem to be stretching this part of the theory and it’s getting increasingly far-fetched.
“-This is key: Ben says ‘it will kill every LIVING person’. It would’ve been easier to say ‘every person’, so that tells me there are other inhabitants on this island that are dead, but still around.”
Way to beat me to it! I drew attention to this last night while re-watching the episode. He does specifically stress the word “living”. Why?
YAE: I really follow the way you think. Especially the similarities between the Black Rock and Flight 815 bringing travellers to the island. Regarding Kate not in jail: she could have to get back to her parole officer? The theory I like better is that she has to get back to Tom Brennan. Great observation about Boone’s comment to John. It leads me to think Christian Shephard is Jacob (Aaron was his grandchild in the bible).
I took a stab at theorizing where the temple fits in via the following post. Interested in your take on it:
http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2007/jun/05/lab-rats/