Hanso, Ben, and the biggest con ever. *updated*
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By leonardocarfi
- Hanso, Ben, and the biggest con ever. *updated*
- Created: May 14, 2007
- Last updated: Aug 13, 2008
- After episode: 3.15: Left Behind
- Status: Current
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This idea just popped into my head while i was watching some weird discovery channel program, but i think you might wanna give it a shot. It’s an unspecific broad theory, i just theorize about background subjects without going into any detail. I appreciate your positive and negative comments!
Ben’s father arrived to the island with his little son, but the island had plans only for the latter. While his father was just a workman and a alcoholic, Ben was destined to lead the rebellion of the natives to overthrow the DI. Before i go on, you must remember the enormous temporal gap we are left with. We don’t know well what happened between the moment Ben finds “Richard I” in the jungle and the moment he kills his father. We must begin to think that in that interval of time something big might have happened, something we do not yet now that changed the course of things. Basically, my whole theory bases on the likely assumption that the losties are being the subject of an experiment, an experiment on human beings. They are being used as laboratory rats. I think the real reason why Ben joined the natives and killed his father was not purely revenge, but a consequence of events he experienced in the time gap i just mentioned. I think he did not decide to join the others (or natives, it’s practicly the same at that point of the story) all by himself, but i think he is working with members of the Hanso Foundation located on the outside world, probably including Hanso himself. I think it had all been planned from the beggining by the Hanso Foundation that the DI was gonna be overpowered by the natives, but i do not rule out the possibility that there was some change of plans after it became obvious the real problem with self-destruction had to do with human nature. The HF decided to run experiments on humans, and that’s why flight 815 was deviated to the island. The problem is that scientist of the DI would have had really heavy ethical problems in running the kind of experiment that was necessary, and this is were the natives come into play. The DI was only used to build the smoke monster and some other essential facilities on the island, as well as the initial phase of the research, and when it became useless it was eliminated. Ben did not only help them to exterminate the DI, but during his youth he (and probably helped by some other bunch of scientists…) had been manipulating the natives, creating the appropriate conditions to motivate them to use violence against the DI. The purge’s real motivation (ordered by the Hanso Foundation) was to create this conditions, to reinforce the native’s sense of union between themselves an with their land, and more important to make them appeal to their faith in overcoming the situation. But what is so important that the very life of human beings is being sacrificed as it was worthless? I think the answer to this question is: to save all the other lives in the world. I think the others are putting the losties into some kind of “game theory” interpretable situation. This basically means that from their actions they can extract mathematical values of human behavior. I also think the smoke monster is being used to scan their brain’s activity as they are put to the test, to know the various regions of the brain that are involved at different situations. After gathering all this useful information, the Hanso Foundation will be able to create an interface to connect human brain to computers to modify the way we think and act. That is, fusing man and machine. Don’t think i’m crazy, i know there is some people trying to do this in the real world. So, it isn’t as crazy as it sounds at first. The next deduction is obvious: the implants we’ve heard about are this circuits that integrate with human brains. They can also load them with new knowledge, and that would explain why a lot of people seems to speak a really impressive number of languages and has amazing fighting skills. Also, as someone else told me, the audio & video stream played to Alex’s boyfriend might be a sensory input designed to configure or activate the implant.
My principal conclusions are:
*The importance if the experiment is HUGE, really really HUGE.
*The founding to such an experiment is also huge.
*The natives and the other’s may have been all implanted, and maybe some of them are being manipulated by Ben and do not know the real purpose of their actions.
*At the current stage, the implants are only effective on vulnerable people, meaning only people that tend to have faith in something or that is more “sensitive”.
*The “con” runs deeper than most of us can imagine, we don’t have to assume the show is giving us all the information we need to understand what’s going on. I think here nothing is what it seems. It may come out that Ben knew about the plane coming but the rest of the others didn’t.
then why does the black smoke kill eko, who believes in something strongly, he would be the oerfect person for the implant. when on earth would or did the others get the implants on them? how does jacob play into this? how come juliet didnt know about the smoke mosnter then? fbi or someone would find out, so this is doubtful. and they couldnt of redirected the plane, becuase desmond crashed it. magnetic field pulled it in, the plane is about 50-75 % metal with all the metal onboard.
Hello sirK.
*Because at the end Eko does not confess…his faith isn’t strong enough. I kinda see the smoke really angry after this.
*The plane could have been redirected to the island AND could have crashed accidentally.
*I don’t mean to say the others necessarily carry implants, but they could have got them anytime, including during Ben’s Youth. I hope that helps a little, thanks a lot for your comment.
leo, you pose some very good thoughts here. I don’t know about all of your theory, but I do like it and agree with you. I definitely think something even larger is at play here, although we don’t know what that is yet. I believe that “the long con” is yet to come. Nice post!
Interesting.
Some interesting ideas on the thought process in starting of the Dharma experiments and the obvious ability of the implants. I believe that the Dharma Initiative is still very alive and well, also. The food drops have continued and the other things is that the tape in Listening Post where Mikhail was working mentions the possibility of an insurrection which makes me think that the DI knew of the natives from the start. They anticipated it happening!
I hope that this thing isnt like the matrix
Good thoughts. I think some of this may be at work. I think you’re right that the big con is yet to be revealed and might not be until the very end.
Agreed Prof.. we don’t have a clue yet about what’s really going on….
Leonardo.. excellent post…while I don’t agree with every single point.. what I do agree with is that the Losties are being used as lab rats..Juliet’s comment to Syid that he would kill her if she told him what they were really doing…somewhat convinces me..Hell with the all that the other’s have done to the Losties, kidnapping, abuse, and attempted murder (w/ Charlie). it would seem that the Losties would have enough reasons already to want them dead.. but according to Juliet, there is more
implants: Yes. Yes. Regarding these neural-interface implants (and I do think that if these were simply tracking devices Ben might have called them that), could this be what they were doing to Alex’s boyfriend in the “brainwashing room” on the second island? Programming his implant via a sequenced course of sensory input? Neat theory, Leonardo.
Thank you all! Pabodie I hadn’t even thought about it, your idea is really good
Leo , my assumption at the moment is that Ben and Ricahrd are going to discover that he has the ability to communicate with Jacob which will make him specail to the hostiles. Something was weird when Ricahrd said to Ben as a kid “do you even know what hostile means” as if Dharma were in fact the hostile ones. I think Ben made his decission to join the others based on the wants and needs of the others, we have to bear in mind he like his father turned out to be a workman and with the others if my theory is correct would be worshipped like a god.