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Definitely, you make some good observations! Makes sense to me.

:O, brilliant observation NEVER WOULD HAVE figured THAT OUT…+1

Oh btw, the photo of the island is in Penny’s fathers office

Which episode is the photo in screenz as that is where i’d thought I’d seen it- I checked the Flash before you eyes one yesterday but couldn’t see it

Very good points….good post!

MrAlpert. Neat! I’ll try to watch the pilot 2 again and look for the scar. It doesn’t happen to be a scar that looks like lightening, does it? ie. maybe he’s a wizard (harry potter)

Harry Potter! (lol) Well he was the chosen one or is it secretly Neville. Bit of a similar storyline here Shell with Locke and Jack - which one is the chosen one - Thinking about it the others see Locke as someone special like a prophecy had been made about him as Ben said ‘he’s not who we thought he was’ - You can almost guess the prophecy - ‘A man who cannot walk, lands on the island and then walks, he is the one who will save us’ or is it Jack ‘He walks amongst us but is not one of us’ - food for thought!

Mr Alpert, I agree with the likelihood of a prophecy that was told to the others. Just started the Harry Potter books so I don’t know about Neville yet but I’ll get back to you on that one!

Re: Jack’s fight with Ethan in Season 1

Yes, someone else pointed this out about Jack’s fight with Ethan on another site. Not only is the dialogue as you suggested, but he (Jack) actually disappears from the scene for a moment. It’s been suggested that the fight between Ethan and Jack took place on Jack’s previous “visit” to the island and Charlie died. This time Jack manages to save Charlie’s life.

I love it! +1

Then why Jack doesn’t have a scar on the Pilot ep while he’s in the Plane? Where is his beard? Where are the connections like these for the other characters? If it’s all a time loop how Locke’s father throws him out of the window if he died on the island before?

Time loop theory is boring….

Hey Freakme I don’t know all the answers and thats what makes lost so good - Beards can be shaved off can’t they? However you can’t ignore some of the evidence that suggests that they’ve been there before or that they have knowledge of things on the island. Remember it was said somewhere or referenced to that ‘only fools are ruled by time’ or something like that.

Alice, didn’t know this had been suggested before but it’s plausible about the fight.

Shell you gotta read all the Harry Potter books, they’re great!

aw I love this theory- if anyone has been on the island before its Jack

how can the clue be jacks scar, if the link to it was only now in the last episode of season 3? if it was true the directors would have said something like “you know we are not making it up as we go, cause we give a clue that links it up on the pilot”. before this episode we couldt make anything of it. it sound strange to me that eyes wounds dont heal.

was it just me or the kid jack saved in the car crash, was very looka like ethan??? does that make sense??

yet i agree that maybe jack was there before i like the time loop idea. or maybe he has these flashes of the future just like desmond

Osorio - I got this from a website about series 3

“Executive Producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse have finally returned to The Official Lost Podcast dispensing their own brand of scoopilicious spoilers and hints at actual plotlines to come: There’s going to be a Goodwin story in the future (maybe)

Juliet is up to no good

“D.O.C” returns to the plot point of the death of the Others pregnant women plot

The last remaining clue from the Pilot episode to be uncovered: “Guys, where are we?”

So there is a clear reference here you will notice on the last point that they have put something in - I thought I’d research it a bit as it was other people who started talking about the clue in the Pilot.

I will have to have a look at the Ethan kid again - that’s something that never ever came into my head - no ideas about the eye wounds either but lockes hasn’t healed but his hand healed instantaneously so I’m just making an assumption.

I think it is likely that Jack has been to the island before because of his dad - he could be seeing future flashes as could Locke who seems to be able to predict when it can rain.

Keep an open mind is what I say

I claimed a while back that the last episode was a flash back not a flash forward. When Jack says to Kate ‘we have to go back’ I think it proved they had been there before. Everyone disagreed with me and like you say, keep an open mind. I think we’ll see in series 4 that they don’t get rescued and what we have been watching so far is everyone’s second time on the island.

Don’t worry about it bob, I got slated for suggesting a Locke flashback was a flashforward - there are some small minded people on this site who throw insults just to look smart and I’ve had a -7.

I do majorly agree with one thing in your post though - the producers want us to think that it was a flash forward and I think there is something in this as how can you account for the airline still being in business as it apparently went out of business after the crash.

One word - WOW - seriously good observation i will look for this scar in every ep.

Good post. But it still doesn’t make sense for me, sorry.

bob-dob,

I’ve always felt (until now) that the final episode was a “flash forward.” But, honestly, I like your explanation better. If it was a “flash back,” then this is at least the 2nd go-around on the island for the Losties. This would explain Jack’s comment about his dad, without making him look totally pathetic. Also, if you’re right, things may actually be looking up for Jack and the survivors - they actually DID make it back to the island and still have a chance to change things for the better.

If this is true, it will be interesting to see if Jack and the other Losties start to make the connection. BTW, this would also explain how Ben has been able to compile so much info on the survivors - he’s had months, perhaps years to put it all together.

Very interesting!

This is good stuff. I never noticed the scar. I am definitely going to take a look at this.

Not wanting to promote my own thread (although I’m gonna) take a look and tell me what you think fits in well with what you are saying.

http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2007/jun/22/back-stones-jack-and-kate-tong/

Re-watching all of the episodes with group 1 is proving really worth while and me personally am getting a completely different viewpoint on things. I would plus this post twice if I could.

Great theory, MrAlpert (I would say that because it’s the one i’ve been working on writing!) :)

amazing theory so believable it culd b true for lost well done

In response to your three points:

1) Jack finds the sewing kit quickly becuase 10 minutes of someone looking through people’s bags doesn’t make for dramatic television.

2) I think early on Jack recognizes Locke’s “delisional” faith based belief system. Perhaps hiding the rocks is a way to prevent Locke from proving himself correct, and in way keep Jack “in charge”.

3) Jack’s reference to “not again”, is in reference to Ethan’s killing a Lostie again.

Ah crbolosan, at that point Ethan hadn’t killed anyone - he did kill Scott afterwards when Claire had escaped in episode 13 0r 14 I think.

Fair point about the sewing kit but maybe this was the first ‘magic box’ moment, just like with Charlies guitar.

I think your rocks assumption is pretty good as Jack would want to keep charge.

Kat: I think there is something going on with the timleine and I can’t just work it out - like the sat phone being on the island seemed far too advanced for 2004 - I can’t explain it but you’ve probably read lostsemiotic’s time dilation theory and I think that coud have something to do with it - I just don’t know what or how! Lost is good isn’t it?

Sleepz: your theory made my head hurt but kinda made sense i.e. I think there is some element of truth in it - I think your on your on the right train but the wrong track

Why would the island not heal scars around the eyes but heal scars on the forehead?

If Jack had been on the island before, and had enough memory of it to want to prevent things from happening again, why would he make the many mistakes he makes (like, not believing Claire in the first place when she complained about somebody assaulting her during the night and using the satellite phone despite Locke’s warning)?

Finally, when Jack says he’s not letting Ethan get away with it again, I really like your suggestion that maybe he knew Ethan from his medical career, but keeps mum like he does about so many things. But, couldn’t he also be responding to his humiliating defeat at Ethan’s hands? Interestingly, much like Locke, he doesn’t respond well when something seems out of his reach (cf. “Don’t tell me what I can and can’t do?”). I think Jack might be saying that he’s not going to let Ethan defeat him again, a statement influenced by his anger over his father’s lifelong attempt to limit him and all the people who tell Jack to just let go.

Bob dob, I just gave your theory a plus 1 after reading it again, a lot of it makes sense

In that case if the island does heal eye wounds then Locke flashback in ep4 could have been a flash forward which I posted before - and got slated!

I can see what you are saying about the conversation but it did seem very specific - but you could be right - but the whole scene was weird as when Jack woke up it had stopped raining and the ground was completely dry and it couldn’t have taken Kate that Long to get down the hill bear in mind the fight went on for a bit as well- then again they do have to do cuts and takes in filming.

Me not offended Kat!

Just on the timeline thing Kat - when Ethan comes looking for Claire he looks like he did when he captured Claire and had scratches on his face in Homecoming episode - but in the flashbacks in season 2 maternity leave there were no scratches on his face - weird!

Ethan the Polar bear!! (LOL)

I’m losing it - going to read someone else’s theories now.

I LIKE THIS THEORY. MAYBE THAT IS WHY charlie MUST DIE, because JACK HAD changed THE WAY THINGS WERE supposed TO PAN OUT. ALSO DIDN’T CLAIRE GO TO SEE A physcic LADY, WHO WAS ALL freaked OUT BY HER reading. MAYBE THIS HAS something TO DO WITH IT TOO. MAYBE ALSO, ADAM AND EVE ARE 2 OF THE losties FROM previous TIMES ON THE ISLAND. (JACK/KATE??)

MrA: I just watched that scene in super slow motion but I don’t see any scar on Jack’s forehead. sorry dude, maybe I need high def TV

Not sure I’m buying the whole “deja vu feeling” idea. Jack remembers a fleeting, non-repetitive memory like where the sewing kit is versus remembering Kate, a face he has loved? You say “the deja vu feeling of some of the characters is definitely prominent in the first 12 eps”. Can you site other characters and examples? I’m just not seeing it.

Does this theory mean that Jack was considering jumping off the bridge after events shown in the flash-forward. Assuming the deceased was walt (with his new identity, as explained on this site), and keeping in mind that Kate didn’t want to return to the island, is it possible that he had given up on returning to the island, tried to take his own life but was halted by the accident and we are left with a (very confusing) timeloop?

after reading this i coudn’t resist lookin back and your right some things dont consist with jack never being on the island before. I have always wondered what jack had ment when he said ‘i’m not lettin him do this,not again’ but your explaination is perfect!

However you must of watch really closly coz i knew what i was lookin for but if i hadn’t then i would never of noticed the scar thing for 1 example!

i really luv this theory thanxxxxx

Sjan - After watching the first part of series I felt that some of the characters had been there before particularly Jack and John - Locke seems almost at home on the island and seems to know too much about the island - What’s the betting that John was born on the island - His mother described him as a ‘design’ and ‘great things’ would happen with him - also his mother has links with the mental institute where Libby and Hurley where - a perfect place to ‘experiment’ on people.

sawyer - how did I spot the scar? I just remember the hospital scene in through the looking glass and thought it was strange why they zoomed in so closely to the wound, then started watching series 1 again and then, whoaaa! is that a scar?

Has this not been debunked in regards to the “secret clue” in the pilot episode? Producers/writers said that there isn’t any secret clue no?

Read that on Lostpedia

Agree’d man, i came up with this theory myself however i didnt notice the scar till you mentioned it.. heres my support:

1. The episode name - “looking glass” is another term for mirror. Through the looking glass might mean through to the other side of the mirror and if you are on the other side..everything is backwards isnt it? (i know quite creative a bizare.. but meh)

2. Desmond cant see past events where there has been an altered outcome.. He knew what was going to hapen to charlie but when it turned out people where already down there in the looking glass he didnt appear to know.. perhaps jacks NEW events have shaped this new reality. Jack keeps trying to change how things will pan out and this is expressed in the end scene where jack says “we have to go back” and kate basicly says no…perhaps she now understands the weight her actions hold but jack still assumes he can change things for the better. ( that scene i feel is in the past, but the past of the last time he was on the island with her and not the present state of the island now)

( that scene i feel is in the past, but the past of the last time he was on the island with her and not the present state of the island now)

1. Charlie doesn’t miss a beat with the keypad and the woman in the looking glass says herself .. the code was programmed in by a muscian. Could this perhaps have been Charlie himself in the time before? Perhaps the events in the last time frame made charlie join the others?

2. Ben isnt shocked when he hears hurlie talking on the walky talky.. co-incidence or did he infact know what transpired?

3. John Locke wakes up and kills the english chick, perhaps in the past time on the island John didnt wake up which is why Jack doesnt see it coming when she dies before him…however one could also argue he might even know what John was going to do which is why he also knew John wouldnt shoot him.

My theory is that like in the butterfly effect where kutcher keeps trying to change events which in turn re-shapes the future but never in the way he saw fit. All events surrounding the changed ones still lead to the same realisation that he either had to die or never meet the girl (i prefer the ending of him never meeting the girl personally i thought killing himself in the womb was stupid) Perhaps this is the same for Jack and our island characters.

Another thing i ponder is the viewing jack went to…im not 100% sure but i believe the guy said “do you want to see her”, refering to the coffin. He then mentions she had no family or friends, might this be Claire?

Or maybe im just a raving lunatic :P

I don’t know, I’ve got both ep’s in windows via iTunes and DVD, and I don’t see a scar in the same location. I see Matthew Fox’s forehead wrinkle a lot, but I don’t see a scar. I also looked on the first few minutes of the first part of the pilot, and there’s no scar there. Of course, it wouldn’t be the first time I couldn’t see something that was right in front of my face… just ask my wife! : )

I think you are correct in saying the flash forward is in fact a flash back. Jack’s father is still alive and his beard in the flash forward is black, whilst on the Island it is grey. I think this “forward” is before the plane crashed which means he has been to the island before - it’s just a bit hard to put a time line together. We’ll have to wait till 08.

its a good theory but if this is jacks 2nd time on the island he would have been able to save boone

i dont remember kate remembering the temple.

I’m sorry to spoil this for you guys but I looked and I looked and slowed motioned the Pilot Part 2 episode as much as I could…

There is NO scar whatsoever on Jacks forehead in this episode.

Here are some screenshots of both episodes on the left throught the looking glass, on the right pilot part 2, at the point where mralbert claims to have seen a scar.

Its pretty clear that what appears to be a very faint scar are just wrinkles on Jacks forehead cause of the face he makes. If this is a scar then Jacks whole forehead is a big scar!

Please don’t reply with answers like “its photoshoped” and stuff like that. I did not photoshop anything.

http://www.moss.gr/images/lost/no_scar.jpg

Possibly why Sun chose to learn English?

Moss - relax! Did you get out of bed the wrong side when you wrote your comment? There is a scar onJack’s Forehead because you can see it in some of the later episodes in season 1 - Even on the picture you’ve posted you can see it - You haven’t photoshopped it - Who would be that sad anyway?

Just another example of how we (humans, not just us LOST freaks) find ourselves wed to an idea, and we selectively accept or decline evidence and facts to reinforce our idea.

I don’t believe there is a time loop involved. If there was, everybody would know what was going to happen, they would avoid all mistakes, and there would be no drama. If there is a time loop, but everybody has forgotten the previous loop, then what’s the point of having a time loop?

But the time loop afficianados keep finding/imagining/making up minutiae to support their contentions.

Be that as it may, you get a plus one from me, because Ben manipulated me into it.

Is it possible that in the pilot episode the stewardess drugs Jack? Jack says his drink isn’t strong enough so she takes two bottles from her pocket . Jack drinks one and puts the other in his pocket and then he blacks out.

I heard that the writers are a big fan of the Dark Tower and the Stand by Stephen King so they probably love the ideas of time loops, parallel universes, special/chosen heroes and such theories, however they are making up the plot as they go and they are obviously playing with us when it comes to prevailing whether they are a greater fan of fate or coincidence/ science and rather focusing on the adventures.

I do agree though, the way Jack has been acting from day 1, he may be a man of science but he is so sure of what he is doing. The only way to debunk your theory would be to find scenes where he has no idea at all of what’s going on.

Great theory. I thought of that too. It is definetly Deja vu. I think Jack knew this was going to happen. And maybe the the last episode Through The Looking Glass was in the last scene with Kate and Jack that could be one of Desmonds flashforwards so hes got to tell people no! Or it already happend.

wow excellent theory! i just joined this group and i must say there are some pretty intense theories on here that i just love! the conversation btw jack and kate regarding ethan is what is really driving me to agree with it!

I think that sometimes we losties are so desperate for every conversation in the show to have a deeper meaning…that said, I think that when Jack says that he isn’t going to let Ethan do it again I think he is referring to Ethan taking Claire and hurting her baby. Jack is racked with guilt at this point because he didn’t believe Claire and now he is in a position to do something about it. He realizes that because he didn’t believe her, no one else did either and they left her vulnerable to Ethan. At that point, Jack and Kate have no idea what Ethan is doing with Charlie and Claire but Jack isn’t going to let Ethan hurt Claire “again”. I am also tired of the time-loop theories, I think they provide to easy of a solution to the predicament our castaways are in. If the answer was that simple, we’d all have it figured out and the series would be over. I, for one, have more faith in the writers that they will come up with something even more original and shocking than a time-loop. Still, +1 because coming up with the theory and working out the kinks is still tough to do.

Two places at once explains how Desmond felt he lived this life twice. It was in the beginning of season 3 after the hatch imploded, which created a Casimir effect that explians the teleportation into his past, bumping into Charlie as well. This is incredibly interesting and highly scientific. Lost is not for the average television viewer.

I’m not against the idea that the characters have some pre-existing link to the island, or any of the the theories doing the rounds about splitting time-lines, but the evidence put forward here is tenuous and bitty, and sometimes taken out of context (the Jack/Kate quote) with no real all encompassing theory. One thing I’m certain of, however, is that the flash-forwards are NOT really flash-backs. Other than the evidence that the flash-forwards are set in 2007, (which could be dismissed as background continuity errors) its just way too much of a cop-out for the writers to take such an obvious twilight-zoney route.

That kinda makes sense because at the end of season3 the flash forward/or backward Jack is doing tons of drugs and is miserable. But in the first episode of season 4 when he comes to see Hurley hes not looking so bad as he did in the season 3’s flash forward/or backward.

So heres the conclusion that the flash in the ending of season 3 of lost might have been a flash backwards. And as the author said Jack lost part of his memory. Although its confusing it makes partial sense.

Nice theory. I don’t buy it though. I don’t think there’s any way that the ending of season 3 could be a flashback. “Still pulling people out of burning wreckage i see”. “Old habits”. Also the anagram in the funeral home’s name. Flash foward.

I like! This is what i think has been happening. Like the stuff about the scar! Have been looking for something in that first episode and i think you may just have it there.

In the first few moments of the first episode of the first season, Jack wakes up & runs to the beach … and sees himself! The point of view then switches to the Jack on the beach.

I am wondering if anyone commented on this before & if they thought there was any special meaning to this scene. BTW, I think Lost is BORING! The only thing that makes this show worth watching is Sayid, the most beautiful creature God ever created. Sayid is HOT!

KakuLizard, does he?! Please can we have a clip. And, Mr. Alpert, ok if there’s a scar in some of the episodes clearly, I want picture-proof.

i think this theory is pretty interesting. however, as most of you probably know, in the original pilot episode, jack was supposed to die instead of the pilot. writers included jack in the cast at the last minute. so i doubt they planted this clue -scar in the forehead- back in season 1. they are making up as they go along.

i dont see the scar in the right picture

hello there… (bows to you and worships a bit for taking on 60-some-odd comments and building a neat theory like this…) I’m not sure if this’ll help, but it occured to me and no one else brought it up…. SO… we all saw what happened to Desmond when he left the island. Maybe Jack not remembering everything his second time around has to do with his return trip. It sure messed with Dessie’s memory… Also, this may add a neat new spin on the voices some of the losties continue to hear every once in a while…memories…? k, thanks again… let the theories live on!

Plus one from me… You’ve got some great points… However, on the scar on jack’s head thing. I cannot see the scar on the picture on the right… can you circle it or somehow point it out… I’m just not seeing it.

Jack also disappeared in the pilot episode on the way back from the cock pit with Kate and Charlie.Jack runs back to help Charlie free his foot from the vines after he fell while running away from the smoke monster.I also think that Jack has been to the island before. Maybe the entire show starts out with Jack laying in the jungle on his back eyes closed. I think that was his time jump.He was really far away from the crash site in that opening scene.It is the very first scene we see. I think this is the big clue that every one looks for in the first episode.It is Jack laying in the bamboo forest he got there via time jump not via plane crash.As we all know Jack does tell Kate we have to go back.So I think he does go back and this is when.

Am I the only one who totally doesn’t see a scar??