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It’s definitely an interesting theory, thanks for sharing it! I read about Hermann Minkowski’s theory of flat time and it’s quite interesting. One other notation I made while re-watching, “Flashes Before Your Eyes”, was when Desmond sees Charlie on the street playing music, he has a sign in his guitar box which says, “Charlie hieronymus”. This is a shout out to the program “Dr. Who” and in particular an episode with a character with the name Hieronymus. It references time travel and the evil deeds of Hieronymus. Wiki Hieronymus, if you’re interested. It’s a good read!

That is a very good theory actually…with excellent supporting evidence…now, we will just have wait and see.

That info posted toward the end that contrasted different versions of the same events that have been shown and prop changes was really intriguing. I do think a number of other theories fit with some of these ideas—hmmm, I started to list some, but then was afraid I might miss some out. There are some great ones on Des’s role (maybe just do a search on Desmond) and I do specifically remember one in which Prof was suggesting that same kind of time happens all at once idea (‘cause he was making an analogy to our misperception of time as chronological to the way the main character in Flatland can’t see 3-dimensions). I do think Charlie dieing or not dieing is becoming almost the central event—and I think he’s probably been saved from fate even earlier than when Des steps in.

Dab….Im interested in your thoughts… if our fearless writers have debunked the time travel and purgatory theories…what are we to make of the sometimes overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

I am convinced that they are making many references to different themes, writers, t.v.shows, movies, scientists and philosophers to show us something. Exactly what that is, I honestly don’t know. I just keep finding the references, look them up and read them. However, Thinker, if I had to make an educated guess, the writers might be making these individual references as they pertain to the particular episode and that character. I am certain there is meaning there.

Another thing I thought was interesting in the dialogue between Hawking and Des…..she tells him that the most important thing he’ll ever do is push that button, yet right before that she mentions that he’ll turn the failsafe key….so wouldn’t turning the key be the most important thing he’ll ever do, if we assume that it gives him his ‘flashing ability’. Also, when they ask him why he’s pushing the button he says, “Saving the world.” Could that have more meaning to it than we thought? Or am I taking what Hawking said to him way too far, and that pushing the button is the most important thing because it will keep him on the island?

YouAll, I just re-watched that episode last night and Ms. Hawking also tells Desmond, that he has second thoughts about buying the ring and walks out of the store, and that he eventually goes to “the island”, and for 3 years pushes the button. She told him that if he didn’t do that, then they are all dead. So, it sounds like there is a lot of importance to pushing the button. I think that was more important than the fail safe key.

Perhaps pushing the button for three years gave some time for other events to unfold in the grand scheme of things…maybe people that are now on the island werent where they needed to be at the time…so des pushing the button gave time for the ducks to get in their row so to speak…?

Thinker: I think you hit the nail on the head with that! My thoughts, exactly!

I am also a little suprised that we are not discussing mrs. hawking a little more either…who she really is, how she knew so much…etc. and then there is the fact that Stephen hawking wrote a book in real life that was titled, “a brief history of time” which i just happened to browse a bit at the book store yesterday…fascinating stuff….about time and time travel…

Thanks for posting this. What an interesting read. I am going to try and check out as many of the contrasting dialogues as possible.

dab, that exact line is what made me think about it…the transcript says:

“MS. hawking: You don’t buy the ring, Desmond.

desmond: How do you know my name?

MS. hawking: Well, I know your name as well as I know that you that don’t ask Penny to marry you. In fact, you break her heart. Well, breaking her heart is, of course, what drives you in a few short years from now to enter that sailing race — to prove her father wrong — which brings you to the island where you spend the next 3 years of your life entering numbers into the computer until you are forced to turn that failsafe key. And if you don’t do those things, Desmond David Hume, every single one of us is dead. So give me that sodding ring…”

…so she also says ‘…until you are forced to turn that failsafe key…’, which is what confuses the crap out of me. Not to mention that he DOESN’T push the button when the plane is going over the island, which causes it to crash and eventually introduces the Losties to the hatch, who subsequently cause the hatch to implode from NOT pushing the button (which we assume gives Des his ability), which eventually causes Charlie to un-jam the communications, which then allows Jack to call for help and bring someone else (who Ben says is the bad guys) to the island. (taking a breath)…

OK, so what if the people on the freighter ARE bad, and this DOES lead to eveyone on the island eventually dying and it somehow ruins the world? Maybe pushing the button IS the greatest thing Des does because it prevents all of that from happening and he SAVES THE WORLD. Maybe the universe is course-correcting by giving Desmond the ability to change stuff to prevent the Losties from ever getting there. Think about it…Kate isn’t a fugitive and Jack’s dad may (or may not) be alive…the reasons that those two were ever even on the island. This doesn’t explain the Golden Tickets, but maybe fate is trying to course-correct and keep them OFF the island to save the world, not bring them TO it to save the world like most people think. I remember one of the producers saying that the show will end the way it started, “in chaos.” I don’t know, maybe Des finds a way to keep them off the island but they still crash somewhere else.

I have another question, and i will get to its relevance in a bit…dont we get lead to believe that jack is a Red Sox fan?

YouAll: I think you’re right about what Desmond does, by pushing the button as Ms. Hawking indicates somehow saves the world, and as for the freighter, it must be part of the universe self correcting, or somehow by Flight #815 crashing, or any number of other events, have somehow created a change in the events, but perhaps not the overall outcome! I do think, however that the freighter may not bring positive changes. If “the losties” eg. Jack and Kate were not supposed to leave “the island”, how will the universe self correct? It reminds me of throwing the proverbially monkey in the wrench box.

Thinker: For another reference Wiki, “Achura “(the name of Jack’s tattoo artist}.

he might be, but we just know that his dad had a saying about them and ben shows him video of them winning the series.

Thinker: Yes, Jack’s father was a huge “Sox” fan, and he made mention of this when he ran into Sawyer in Australia. Also, Jack has made mention of the “Sox”, never winning the series. It’s interesting that Ben showed Jack a tape of them winning the series, in one of the episodes.

This explains why Charlie now swims…and why they took the time to have a flashback scene to his childhood learning how to swim (during which you hear Des’ name in the background). Maybe this changes after Claire almost drowns (which—not being able to swim is why Charlie would have died trying to save here)…which also explains why he was able to swim in Des’ flash in which Charlie tries trying to get the bird for Claire. One thing changes and everything changes. I think there are arguments to be made in which the Others (and maybe John and Walt) live in all of the changes (universes). Great theory and discussion!

Ahh dab, good call. I forgot about Jack’s ‘we weren’t supposed to leave’ line to Kate. Also, what does any of this stuff say about Locke’s ‘you’re not supposed to do this’ line to Jack? Many possibilities there.

I find it a very interesting coincidence that our mysterious numbers all also happen to be retired jersey numbers from the yankees…arch rivals of the sox…and also - push the button every 108 minutes… there are 108 stitches on a baseball…interesting?

Yeah, YouAll, I think Locke’s particular assets allowed him to connect to “the island” immediately. In terms of that connection in comparison to the other losties, he is miles ahead! In my opinion, that’s why “the others” let Walt leave because he was so in tune with “the island” because of his psychic abilities, he proposed too much of a threat to Ben!

Thinker: Great find! Verrry interesting.

This would lead me to believe that this in fact evidence that whoever (or whatever) is responsible for the numbers will be jacks rival…or to put it another way…

The enemy. (sorry. posting from my phone)

Wow, what a crazy theory. Totally sensible.

Most importantly, I don’t think the producers were lying or being misleading when they said that it didn’t involve time travel. Alternate realities is a very different concept from time travel.

What does bug me, though, is the way the people who are “dead” keep popping back up. Are these possibly people from other realities, or is it just the island, as Yemi was to Eko? Are Jacob and the Others and the Island above the alternate realities somehow, or pawns in it? Does anyone think that anyone has it all figured out?

Ms. Hawking, in the shop with the ring, she’s the only one that seems to have any idea of how things work. She seems to be above timespace, or at least cognizant enough that she can understand and observe it.

FYI: I just found another reference! In the episode, Tricia Tanaka is Dead, the song that is playing on the radio in Hurley’s camaro and the Dharma van, is Shambala. This is the place mentioned in the book and movie “Lost Horizons and is in other movies, books, t.v. shows, music, games, etc. Shambala is a mystical Tibetan kingdom. It is said to be a place which offers light and hope and is a hidden mythic brotherhood whose members labour for the good of humanity.