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very nice post. an almost original theory, ill give it a vote! +1

I also gave +1 for originality and thought, although I don’t know if that is the most likely conclusion, but you never know.

This is a good theory. It would explain why the Black Rock is so far inland. +1

I have some questions.

Wasn’t it Fiji they turned back for?

Isn’t it the Pacific Ocean they would be in since its closer to fly from Australia to L.A across this ocean?

Where did they say Richard was on the Black Rock? I don’t remember the TV show mentioning it.

Good idea but I think your looking the wrong way.

I too don’t know about Richard being on the Black Rock…. but the Fountain of Youth theory is given further evidence by the episode titled, “Not in Portland” Richard and Ben are having a conversation about a “birthday present” that Ben is holding in his hands…. When Richard brings up the present, Ben says something to the effect of: “You do remember Birthdays, Don’t you Richard?” ….

Fantastic theory! Completely original, which makes a change from the same old “jacob is jack” bollocks. +1 for def!

I think your onto something and I’d like to see more. There was always something about that beechcraft being on the island that’s very odd.

I don’t agree with the location of the island being in the Atlantic, but it doesn’t dissprove your theory about the rising and falling of the island.

Curious though why we haven’t seen more evidence of this in the show. Things formerly above water, now below sea level, etc. I don’t buy the Black Rock as evidence - I think Artz was right a Tsunami carried it inland. The tide shifted very suddenly and strangely in Season 1 forcing the Losties to relocate their camp was weird (I took this as a way to explain why they have to move away from the wreckage because Hawaii Chamber of commerce wanted their beach back!) but we haven’t see too much else - but that would be a really cool twist if we were to find out they only had x days to survive because they were sinking into the sea.

Question: how could it be possible only Richard drank from the fountain of youth? Why wouldn’t he share?

I’d like to see more from you too:) +1

Does anyone remember how long Flight 815 was in the air before it crashed?

Jukin,

Okay, I’m looking at my globe; are you saying the flight left Sydney and instead of flying east into the Pacific Ocean, it headed west, flying over Australia, over the Indian Ocean, over the southeren tip of Africa and crashed in the South Atlantic? It seems like a long way for the flight to have traveled, off course, befor the crash, that’s why I was asking.

Nevertheless, good theory; very well wrtten and very original. +1

Could be that the same Tsunami that stranded the black rock also washed away the fountain making so only a select few had time to drink from it….? I.e. Richard alpert and jacob?

Maybe the pilot was in on the “plan” and flew west instead of east from the beginning. I think the pilot said they were flying for 6 hrs. It has always been curious, as noted on this website, that based on the time they left Oz, when they crashed it should have been dark. But not if they were heading the other way……. great post.

This is really good….and you call it the beggining of a theory? Well I cant wait to see the rest Jukin. +1

Very well thought out. Where did the info about Greek statuary come from? That was very interesting, and the first explanation I’ve really seen for the statue’s lack of a fifth digit.

On Stip’s question re: the fountain of youth—I guess we don’t know how many survivors you are talking about, or who, among the current Others might be one of these original survivors.

I like Shell’s idea about the pilot because it would imply the “he knew too much and therefore had to die” scenario. If, in fact, he was killed to protect the secret of where they are, I wonder what that implies about who is controlling the smoke monster.

Also—if in fact, they actually went in the opposite direction of their original course that could be another meaning of “through the looking glass.”

And I like the idea that the pilot was killed because he knew too much. I never did understand that particular random act by the smoke monster - not that the smoke monster is necessarily logical.

The flight was six hours in before losing radio contact. Then another two hours before the crash. It’s interesting to note that give the date was an equinox, the time of departure, the time in flight, and the presumed easterly route, the crash should have taken place in darkness. Crashing in daylight would make more sense if the plane had actually been traveling west, but I agree that if this was the case then it’s unlikely that it was flying that direction in error.

I’ve learnt to keep an open mind on all possibilities Jukin. The island slowly re-surfacing seems to make sense. Helps explain what the hell a ship is doing in the middle of the island and why the hostiles aren’t aging. Look forward to your further post

I don’t have all of the answers and I’m not saying this theory is 100% right as each person should judge for themselves. To answer a few of the other questions raised here;

Murphe- The pilot did say they turned to go back to Fiji. The question is if they were lost could they have been heading West instead of East from the outset? Obviously you would think a commercial plane would be able to know east from west, but look at the evidence that suggests they started on the wrong route. They flew East for roughly 6-8 hours and it remained daylight the entire time - in fact it seems to have been daylight for several hours AFTER the plane crashed. How can that be? Also remember that pilot said that the instruments went crazy and they were off course for several hours and that they were likely a thousand miles from where they should have been. Also which makes more sense that a commercial airline gets lost and travels west instead of east or that a small beechcraft with a maximum range of 1,000 miles somehow manages to travel 11,000 miles on a single tank of gas?

As for who drank from the fountain of youth - who knows! Richard may not have been on the Black Rock but I’m speculating based on the lack of very many known means for him to reach the island. Certainly there could be a dozen other ships, planes or balloons that crashed on the island that we don’t know about, but given the information we have and the clothing he was wearing and the fact that he is clearly MUCH older than Ben, I don’t think it’s out of the question that he (and possibly several others we haven’t met) could be members of the Black Rock.

Stip, my reasoning for placing the island in the Atlantic is based on the location described by Plato for Atlantis. The only supporting evidence is the connections I’ve listed to Atlantis and the fact that it allows for Yemi’s plane to have reached the island. There could certainly be other explanations (for example maybe the magnetic field pulled it in. But if it could pull a small plane 10,000 miles off course why didn’t the magnet drag in other planes, boats etc. as well?) If Plato was correct and this island is part of the Atlantis continent then it should be close enough to Africa to make Yemi’s plane crashing there feasible.

As I said this is a working theory but I think it starts to explain some of the bigger questions in a somewhat logical way. We’ll see as the theory develops in the coming weeks.

Thanks for all of the positive feedback! Jazprof, the info on the Greek statues is readily available on line. I’ve pulled the following from Wikipedia and a few other sites to compile a rough sketch.

Phevos and Athena, the Greek Gods, are usually depicted with four toes on each foot.

Phevos is better known as Apollo who is the Greek god of light; god of prophesy , poetry, music and healing. (Healing & prophesy. Healing is a property of the island. Prophesy is the prediction of future events. A general term for assertions presented as the revelation of divine will or to put it another way, fate! I believe that the producers gave us a clue by using Apollo as the name on the candy bars Kate and Hurley ate in the hatch.) Apollo was also supposed to have been born on a mythical island and had a twin sister named Artemis (who was believed to be the guardian of women in childbirth.)

Athena was the The daughter of Zeus and Metis and was the goddess of wisdom, the practical arts, and warfare, and the protector of cities. Athena sprang into being fully formed and fully armed from the head of her father, after Zeus had swallowed the pregnant Metis. A warlike virgin, Pallas Athene eschewed senseless violence, unlike the war god Ares, and relied on the boldness of wisdom.

Good post. Good discussions.

But, if the island is in the Atlantic Ocean, then why is Jack looking for it in the Pacific Ocean during the season 3 finale? If they do get rescued, how could they hide the fact that they are THAT far away from L.A. when on their way home? Also, I believe Naomi states that they found the plane near Bali or something, which is just north-west of Australia (but we can’t assume Naomi can be trusted).

I believe there are some who think the proper location of Atlantis is actually closer to the Indian Ocean. But… I may be recalling that wrong.

I posted my own theory about some of this.

They flew WEST!!!!! Who would of thunk it.

http://lost-theories.com/theories/2007/jul/12/they-flew-west-who-would-thunk/

If you really want to see something interesting watch this Video!! It supports the main theory here. The earth is growing! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7592727299684964168

That wuold explaing a lot, and also why Ben said that lots of people are looking for the island. I’ve to admit it, it’s the best theory posted.

Pardon me this is my first post….someting simple from this theory that really makes sense is why the others are so obsessed with kidnapping children. Maybe the idea is that the children need to be allowed to grow to a certain age, so if the others kidnap the children and “give them a better life” then they control the water source that the children drink from.

Just a thought……

spot on majic

Yes I beleive the Island is in the Indian Ocean, based on

.The Periplus Map showing early Greek trade routes to India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PeriplusMap.jpg

The history of the Greek-Indian Kingdom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greeks

All of this explains the temple and the four toed foot which is definately greek.

There was trade in slaves from Africa to India. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africanslavetrade#IndianOceantrade

which explains the slaves in chains on the Blackrock, which I believe is there because of a Tsunami http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsunami

As the island has a volcanoe, I think in season four we will see the losties move underground to the lava tubes, which is probably where the others have gone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lava_tubes

All of this is rather factual, I just can’t get my head around time travel etc

Dear Jukin and everyone,

I just discovered this post, and a LOT mirrors what I said in my theory from a couple days ago. You can check it out here -

http://lost-theories.com/theories/2007/aug/03/where-earth-island

I tried to explain Yemi’s Beechcraft, the West instead of East Flight, the Deceptive flight crew, the possible Indian Ocean Location, the Greek Connection, the volcanoes etc…

This is an amazing theory. Kudos!

Keeping the Black Rock in mind, this would be pretty much the only reasonable explanation. I wouldnt know how else the writers are gonna explain it. ‘The black monster picked it up and threw it inland’ would be retarded and too farfetched, even for a show like this.

It really seems to be a very likely theory. Thanks for sharing.

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Excellent theory. I was starting to get a bit bored with the weird speculation going on, then I read this which is logical and highbrow enough to be appropriate for Lost. It’s always been far too complex to be easily guessable etc. There’s still a lot more to it - what Richard etc. thinks Ben actually is and why they accept him as their leader, the deal with Jacob and so on. Thinking about it - maybe that’s what Jack’s so despairing about in the flash-forward? If the island is Atlantis, and he’s not able to get back to it, then no wonder he regrets his actions. Atlantis is supposed to be a paradise - maybe the island needs rescuing or something?! That sounds a bit mad, but it’s not perfect and there’s still a lot of ruins and bad parts eg. the monster. Perhaps the Losties and/or the Others are meant to help the island recover???

The Fountain of Youth, healing power, kidnapped children. Good connections there, but why the issues with pregnant women? We need to integrate this into the Grand Unified Atlantis Theory, too.

I did a little looking cobbled together something that helps this theory and with the pregnant women, etc. See my “Delos?” theory. See also “Odysseus wuz here?” theory (not mine).

Your theory is incredible!! and it may be posible!

man… if this aint the right theory to explain all the mystery gaps, it should be. I would be SO pleased to finaly enjoy a show with such interesting plot. Notice to the authors of Lost: read this post, take note and change the story if you had something else planed! I vote for Jukin wrighting the final seasons. Cheers from Argentina Jukin, you made my day.

Wow! Thanks bysn glad to help!!

bro this theory sucks

Instead of Atlantis, why not fit your theory to Lemuria, which existed before and around the same time as Atlantis..

Lemuria was located in the Pacfic… and many believe the Easter Island monuments are relics from this great civilisation (which like Atlantis) was far advanced beyond our own)….

Wow. Of all the theories that suck, this one gets the Hoover Vacuum award.

Particularly bad, since you start off talking as if you have some game. Next think you’re talking about how often the continents rise and fall (boaters, beware of rising continents!), and, icing on the cake, Atlantis. Of course.

I liked the references you’ve mentioned to the greek god’s represented with 4 toes. And the Apollo reference. Good find.

Hang on to something! The damned continent is rising again!

When Plato spoke of Atlantis, this was from a conversation he overheard between his parents and a friend some 30 years earlier. At the time that the Dialogues were published, nobody had ever heard of Atlantis and considered it a parable.

Now we have the “low information” individuals unable to understand metaphors and parables, and trying to find the “lost continent.” And, of course, an entire industry devoted to providing “research” books for these individuals. I can’t help but imagine 2,300 years from now the literature that will surround the search for the lost island of “Hogwarts.”

And…Plato described Atlantis as an ideal society (VERY realistic), not an idealistic society. Perhaps you could look up the difference?

you_knowthename. your theory is by far the most interesting iv read, i like this one also but dont really agree with it. My reasons for it are that if the island was Atlantis, or at least some portion of it, i would expect there to be more signs of structure. IF the buildings were destroyed by island movement then i see no reason why the foot would still be there. perhaps the statue is not even made from stone? or, more likely, the simpsons built it. ;)

A fantastic and simple theory, i haven’t managed to read all the comments posted yet, but what if it was we flip reversed it, and said that the island has sunk. If the statue was situ8ed on a mountain top. Over time it could have crumbled maybe due to an earthquake. The remains of the statue could have laid on the mountainside, then as the island sunk the remains were submerged. Let’s here more. +1 from me.

posted similar theory just now!! I beleive the island is submerged and is protected by a eletromagnetic force field, please read my theory “lost island is under water”.

the black rock ship can also be seen on the episode where michael is talking with his wife inside the lawyers office, the is a miniature os a ship behind her called black rock identical the one found inland. I found your theory very interesting! thanks for the posting…

A forest like that on the island doesn’t grow overnight. If the island grew over millions of years (as would be required for a forest that big, unless you take some sort of “magic” into effect, which would, IMO, be way to immature for Lost), then 1) it’s not growing any faster than normal islands that are emerging, therefore not putting the Black Rock into the island that far in 200 years (or whatever Richard is supposedly has been on the island for) and 2) why wouldn’t someone have seen it? It’s really rather too far-out to say that the electromagnetic field was there when the island started to emerge, and with all the Atlantic islands mapped out, why wouldn’t that one be mapped?

Good theory though. It explains some of the more obvious inconsistencies so far witnessed in Lost, but does not cover up all the other holes.

Hey i have something else you can throw into your atlantic theory. that black rock ship, john locke says, when he takes sawyer into it, that it was a slave ship. maybe richard and jacob (actually i think it would be cool if jacob was some surviving entity of atlantis) were in the slave trade and crashed on their way to the americas with slaves….it makes more sense than the slaves being transported across the pacific

Great Theory! But i have one question? Is there any relation of your theory to the black smoke?

I, for one, think this is a very intelligent theory.

I have quite a few questions I’d like to ask on it, but I do think that you might be on to something.

very original, and very well written!

+1 from KK!

Jukin, this theory is amazing and the most credible I’ve read so far!!! +1

Just a few thoughts. Atlantis is usually referred to as the LOST civilization/island/continent etc - hence the show’s title could actually be referring to Atlantis and not to the plane crash. In Francis Bacon’s The New Atlantis the ideal society is called BENsalem… But Bacon places Bensalem off the Western coast of America (he doesn’t tell whether it’s North or South). Maybe the writers mixed ideas from both Plato and Bacon - which could explain the survivors’ location off the West African coast.

wow, amazing theory! Makes complete sense. Smart thinking. Now my new theory =). +1

Very interesting. +1!!!

Beautiful and coherant Jukin. I want to know more about how you think the time issue (I think demonstrated to be valid by recent episodes) could fit into the Atlantis thing. It may though provide some ideas for why the island is rising so rapidly in relation to the ‘real’ world.

All in all a great post anyway.

Impressive theory.

This maybe the best theory yet. But… The Fountain Of Youth thing wouldnt make sense. The Fountain Of Youth is most likely somewhere in Florida as the legend goes. The man who actually found Florida was searching for The Fountain Of Youth when he discovered the Sunshine State. Since I was 10 I have been reading books or anything I could find about Atlantis. Not one story I have read has ever said anything about The Fountain Of Youth being in Atlantis or having anything to do with the lost continent. Great theory though, the best one I’ve read so far. Kudos.