Raised by Another Revisited
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By y2gatti
- Raised by Another Revisited
- Created: Dec 24, 2007
- Last updated: Aug 13, 2008
- After episode: 3.22: Through The Looking Glass
- Status: Current
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Is this just a mistake that has been over-looked?
— y2gatti
So I’ve now resorted to just watching random episodes to get my LOST-fix. So today was Season One’s Raised by Another. A Claire-centric episode. I’ve noticed a few things and would like some thoughts on them. Hopefully some of this is new to everyone. My apologies if I carry on too long.
So we know Claire has had 3 episodes so far. 1 each season. In S1, it is about her boyfriend, the pregnancy, and Richard Malkin, the psychic. In S2, its the on-island flashback episode where she was taken to the Staff station, which I won’t be talking about in this theory. Her third and as of yet, final episode, is in S3, which takes you back even further. She was in her gothic-rebellion stage, pre-pregnancy.
So anyway, what I’m getting at is some problems I’ve found relating to her S1 episode and her S3 episode. It seems like her timeline goes like this:
Gothic rebellion(s3). Car crash that puts mother in comatose-like state(s3). Christian comes to pay the bills and see Claire(s3). Sometime after, Claire meets Thomas and gets pregnant(s1). She sees a psychic a few times and almost adopts baby to Melbourne couple(s1). She takes up Malkin’s offer to fly to LA to adopt baby there(s1). Before leaving she goes and says goodbye to her mom, whos still in a coma(s3). Okay, so I hope I got all that right :) Now to the problem….
Two different times in her S1 flashback her mom is mentioned. First, when discussing with Thomas about having the baby, she says her mother will disown her. He says “She practically already has”. Second, when seeing Malkin for the first time, her friend comes along. During the reading, her friend interrupts saying: “Her mother doesnt approve”. When Malkin refuses to finish with the reading, Claire asks: “Should I not tell her?” Now, if Claire’s mother is in a coma….how has she A) disowned her and B) not approve of the pregnancy? Is this just a mistake that has been over-looked?
Now lastly, I’ve been really curious about Malkin. Is he a psychic? Did he give her the ticket cause he knew it would crash? In the deleted S2 scenes he told Eko he was a fraud, and that he sent a girl to LA (Claire) because a couple paid him $16,000. Could he be in cahoots with the Others?
Anyway, let me know what you guys think about this stuff. I’d be interested to hear it.
Key characters
| Short Name | Full Name | Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|
| Claire | Claire Littleton | 2.15, 2.12, 1.10, 1.15, 1.21, 3.12 | 384 |
Key episodes
| # | Title | Aired | Central character | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1.10 | Raised by Another | 12-1-2004 | Claire | 104 |
hey that’s a good pick up. think that must be an error.
I dunno how I missed it but wha episode was the psychic in?
Sorry I forgot to mention this. I meant the Episode with the psychic and Mr. Eko. I think I did see it but I can’t remember seeing the psychic just the parts with the little girl…if thats the one. Either way, thanks.
y2g, I am so glad that you brought this up for discussion. I have been looking for someone to post a theory, just so I could get it brought up ,just wasn’t sure how?? I have a very big suspicion that Malkin was very aware that the plane was not going to reach it’s destination LA.
The first time he saw Claire was when she went to him for a reading,this is what he said “It is crucial that you yourself raise this child,danger surrounds this baby. Your nature,your spirit,your goodness,must be an influence in the development of this child.”
After she left when he,did not continue the reading,he kept calling her to try and persuade her to keep the baby,to the point she said if he didn’t stop calling her she would call the police.
When she was in the lawyer’s office in Australia,she stopped short of signing the papers,saying she could not go through with it. Then when she went to see Malkin again to ask him to continue with his reading, he suddenly has a change of heart,telling her that there was a couple in LA that would be good people to raise the child. He then gave her the plane ticket & $6,000 ,and told her that she must take this flight(815),no other. He of course thought the $10,000 he had kept for himself was a good exchange,for his belief that Claire should raise the baby herself!
He then gave her the plane ticket & $6,000 ,and told her that she must take this flight(815),no other. He of course thought the $10,000 he had kept for himself was a good exchange,for his belief that Claire should raise the baby herself!
Now to the part ,about your saying that there is a deleted scene. That is supposed to be on the S2 “Lost Connections” Extra material,& I have been trying to find it,but you have to follow different links from each person to take you to a link & short video that connects you with that person. I am sure it’s there though! Now to the part that I have been wanting to bring up,that I have kept coming back to. This is going to sound really crazy, but…..( there always is one…) Here goes we,all know that the writers have liked to use anagrams for a lot of their story telling. This one is a whopper DHARMA as everyone believes stands for…”Department of Heuristics and Research on Material Applications” Well I took those 55 letters and came up with this instead!
” Antifundamentalist Sees Claire as Anthropomorphic Trade Price” Now before you think I have completely lost it,Consider this!
Fundamentalist: definition;a religious or political movement with a strict view of doctrine. Anti Against = Richard Malkin
Anthropomorphic definition; human form, ascribing human chacteristics to non-human things; supernaturalism= Smokey,Visions Richard Alpert ?.etc.
I also read this somewhere “Lost could be something new-which is why we cannot grasp the edges.”
Well there it is, I know that it is a really big stretch but…pick it apart if you must. It is something though that I am pretty sure has never been brought up before? I welcome all comments and criticism of this,just let me say this ” It’s not entirely my fault,it’s those creative writers ,that keep me searching for answers?”
Oh, I almost forgot +1 for bringing it up so I could get this off my mind , and written.
I’m back I wish you could edit posts,I really did not mean to repeat myself after point # 3. Sorry it was so long too. :-(
y2, nice pickup! +1
I checked Lostpedia and they explain it three ways:
Personally, I would have to go with 1 or 2, but I would hate it if it’s a continuity error. :-(
KSJ, Nice work on the anagram!!!
Drive by +1
katesawjack, the deleted Eko/Malkin scene is on the s2 special featurette that is like a huge map of the characters that shows all their links. :)
y2, Thanks. I know, I have the DVD, But for some reason I can’t seem to link to Eko. I keep getting Jack! Canyou help ? Like what person or wire do you click to find it?
no idea, lol. That thing was a pain.
I noticed that too, it probably is an error, unless they are going to clear it all up with a further flashback. My this money is on this being what happens when you have a large writing team!
Yeah. I think sometimes the actors improvise a line, which could mess things up later on.
Well I finally hooked to the right button & saw not 1 but 2 clips of Malkin & Eko. The one he is saying, how he scared a pregnant girl onto getting on a plane because a couple in Los Angeles paid him $16,000.In the other one he is saying ” That’s what I do gather information on people” or something like that. anyway. I think he may be one of the sources for Ben about some others as well. Just a thought.But these are deleted scenes,so they may not be leading to that?
Yeah and in the S3 special features, Damon talks about Malkin on the island with Cooper in the scene where Sawyer kills Cooper. Weird.
Y2gatti - What does Damon say about Malkin?
They are discussing the scene where Sawyer kills Cooper in the Black Rock. Damon originally suggests that Sawyer falls in a well. Inside the well is Cooper and a person we recognize, but not sure exactly who it is. Then he says “the person will be the psychic, Richard Malkin.” The idea sounded crappy to me, lol. The way they ended up doing it was wayyy better.
Well yeah I think so too, I guessed way back in S2 that Cooper was the real Sawyer and that he would have to end up on the island at some point. I have to say they did a good a job with making this happen without it seeming too contrived.
thanks for bring it up i have watch that ep in season 1 just recently and thought it didn’t link up to well with clares ep in season 3.
Interesting observations y2gatti!
here’s somthing else I noticed in Claire’s flashback in her S1 episode: when Claire was in the lawyer’s office, before signing the adoption paperwork, she asked the couple if they knew the song “Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket”, saying that her dad used to sing it for her when she was little… and I’m like: WTF!
so who’s that “dad” she’s refferring to? does she actually remember Christian singing that song to her? has she, herself, been raised by another? meaning: did she have another “dad”? a step “dad”? or any other father figure? or was this another writing inconsistency or mistake?
Yeah I was thinking about that part as well. Not sure who she is talking about there. And as much as I’d like to say I saw that coming, I didn’t even suspect Cooper as Sawyer. I felt very stupid afterward…it was pretty damn obvious, lol.
Kinda makes you wonder. Jack never found out who his wife left him for. Maybe it was someone on the island as well. Right? He thought his father was the culprit but…thats wrong. So, maybe someone else. Who knows.
It shows the guy though, and he isn’t anyone we’ve seen.
Theres almost 40 something survivors and Sawyer never once knew who Nikki was. We haven’t even seen all the survivors. Not saying he’s among them but maybe he’s part of why Jack is on the Island.
So many more things you guys brought up!! My head is about to explode!
Maybe Christian visited Claire and her mother more often when she was a small child and it’s just a childhood memory? Although, being ‘raised by another’ fits in with the theme better.
KSJ, I wonder if you’re right and Malkin is feeding info to Ben?
Forgot, it sounds a little extreme for Jack’s ex’s new guy to be on the island, but isn’t it extreme to have Jack and Claire end up on the island? You could be right, he is or was obsessed with finding out who he was.
Annie, I don’t want your head to explode,but….have you seen the latest mobisode where Michael & Sun are talking & about ready to kiss when Vincent interupts the moment.
Also what about the 4th comment on this thread I made about the DHARMA anagram. Does anyone have any thoughts on that? Anthropomorphism in some way could explain some of the strange things happening.
Redginger, I took it to mean she had a memory of that song being sung to her as a child by Christian.He had told her that he used to come visit her when she was little.There was another thing though that I picked up on when Malkin gave Claire the $6,000 & the plane ticket for flight 815. She said “You’re giving me $6,000 to give my baby to a pair of strangers in Los Angeles”, to which he replied $12,000 the other 6 when you arrive in Los Angeles and They’re not strangers ,Claire. They’re good people. But I still don’t think that necessarily meant that he believed she would even get to Los Angeles.
I noticed this too but since Claire continued to talk to her mom as if she was normal/lucid in the season 3 episode I figured she was doing the same when speaking of her in season 1.
KSJ, I did see the latest mobisode with Sun and Michael. I dont know what it means though. Could they have had an affair? I doubt that, she was so happy to learn the baby was Jins. I dont know, but Vincent turns up at the darndest times, doesnt he!!
Ive been thinking about your anagram too. The words trade for bother me, since Ive been speculating about Malkin being a source for Ben. I need to do some more thinking about that one to tie it all together.
Another thing I was thinking about on the way home from Christmas dinner was the deleted scenes and how much weight we should put in them. I was basically writing them off, but the more I thought about it, there have to be hundreds of deleted scenes after shooting and editing. That doesn*t make them untrue scenes. So why did they pick those specific scenes to put in the DVDs? I think they deserve a second look, for those that have them. I only have Season 1. What do you think?
Sun WAS happy because the baby was Jin’s. But the only proof of it being Jin’s is because she conceived on the island. So the possibility of it being Michael’s is still there….hmmmm
Michael and Sun never had intercourse. Her and Jin were never apart. Michael did see her naked though. Anywho, it just doesn’t seem possible. You’d think she would be upset when she found out she was pregnant and still didn’t know who the father was. Then of course, having a black child later on…Jin would kill her. Huh, maybe it was Sun in the coffin. J/k, it was suppose to be a guy…
You just contradicted yourself, really. Sun and Jin were never apart, but Michael saw her naked :) Sun and Jin were apart quite a bit when he learned she spoke english. They were also apart enough in the 2 min. mobisode for them to nearly kiss.
Hey you’re right. I did completely contradict myself. In reality though, they still never had the time to do it. Besides Sun doesn’t strike me as the type to just have sex wtih random guys. Jin doesn’t strike me as the type not to know about it either considering the conditions. Such as them being on an island in very close quarters all the time. Ok so, Michael runs it up the flag pole to the thought of Sun naked a few times, but they never do it.
That guys probably gonna burn his flag pole if he ain’t careful.
Yeah, I don’t really believe that he did either, just like to argue :P No, I just like leaving all possibilities open….especially when it comes to LOST.
Maybe somebody can clear this up for me. I am not aware of a conclusion of any kind as to Claire’s mother. I know she is in a coma. And that is where she is when the flashback ends. Does anybody have some definitive information that Claire’s mother died, or continues in a comatose state? If not, is it not possible that she recovered to some degree, enough to disapprove of Claire’s pregnancy?
No, the day of or before Claire gets on flight 815, her mother is still in a coma. She got in the coma way before Claire was pregnant, and when Claire mentioned she didnt approve was early in her pregnancy. So the time just doesnt add up.
Y2, This could prove to be a continuity error, however, I choose to believe that Claire continued to have a close relationship with her mother, even if it was a one sided one. The comments could have referenced the reaction she thought her mother may have had, if able to speak.
Nice thoughts! +1
If it isnt a continuity error, I think you would have to be right. I know someone above mentioned that perhaps she is talking about her Aunt, but that is very unlikely to me. 1. She didnt seem to get along with her Aunt very well and 2. If her mother isnt actually “dead” I think that would be very disrespectful to call your Aunt “mom”.
I believe Claires mother is still in a coma. She was the last time Claire saw her just prior to her boarding flight 815. It is still possible I think also that comotose persons are still able to hear.I also believe that door was left open to a possible future storyline. The transcript of “Par Avion” ,is where you can find it.. http://lostpedia.com/wiki/ParAviontranscript I hope the link works,but if not it can be found on lostpedia.com
ksj—nice pick-up on Claire and very impressive work on the anagram. Do you see a connection between the two? That is could Claire be in touch with her Mother in some way (even if she’s in a coma), or is she having visions of her Mother? The anagram I take to mean that you think she’s being given to or sent to Ben/Smokie/Jacob—is it her that’s being sent, Aaron, or both do you think? In trade for what?