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sorry… I don’t really understand this one.

You may be right, rise. I wish I could answer all of your questions, but I’m afraid we’ll just have to wait and see. You make some excellent points, though.

The thought going through my head the whole time whilst reading this until you pointed it out was - why wasn’t Locke killed also?

In fact I would go as far to say that if Eko was killed because he failed to keep pressing the button, Locke should have been killed instead. After all it was Eko who right up until the end was trying to convince Locke to push the button.

I’m just not buying this as rationale, because if Smokie (or whatever) was looking for someone to punish for any wrongdoing its not Eko who springs to mind its Desmond and Locke.

I’m going to have to re-watch the beginning of series 3 and watch that whole conversation between “Yemi” and Eko before he was killed. Something has clearly happened that requires Eko dead, but I don’t think its the hatch. Or if it is I doubt thats the whole answer.

I, for one, actually believe that the whole hatch concept was destroyed at the end of season 2 simply because the writers saw that it was not generating enough interest from fans. Viewing of Lost dropped dramatically during the second season and I think the writers felt it was more beneficial to go in a different direction. I do believe also that is why Eko was killed. He was a character out of place. He really had no “job” on the island and was only there, as the above thread indicates, to protect the hatch once Locke has aborted. But once the writers veered from the hatch and blew it up, Eko’s purpose was null. Thus, they killed him!!

Rise, You raise some interesting thoughts about Locke, Eko, Yemi and “Ole Smokie”. I have never been comfortable with the idea that Eko was killed because he wouldn’t repent for his past sins. Some of the other “losties” who killed eg., Kate, Sawyer, et el, weren’t punished, so it leads me to believe there had to be another reason.

Eko, for all intents and purposes had repented in his own way, by becoming the priest on “the island”, building a church, and baptizing Aaron. So, I think you’re correct about why he was killed. He was moving out of sync with “the islands” desires, and leading Locke in a direction which “the island” didn’t want him to go. I think there is more to it, but you have outlined the obvious. The other issue which could be attributed to Eko’s death is the fact he was erecting a church. Perhaps it wasn’t “the islands” idea of religion, so to speak.

One other fact, which haunts me, is that “Ole Smokie” appears quite differently to Eko, than he does to Locke, which leads me to your last paragraph. I wrote a theory last April entitled “Ole Smokie” is a “Tulpa”. I realize that this may fall into the category of “the supernatural”, so I will let you decide. (I have a wicked headache, today, so be kind to the “Dabbie).

A Tulpa or Thoughtform comes from Tibetan mysticism, and practiced around the world, by indigenous tribes and shamans. Carl Jung and Campbell are firm believers in “Tulpas”. A “Tulpa” can be either benevolent or malevolent, or a combination. This could have been created by Jacob, and / or, used / misused by Dharma, leaving it in it’s present form. It is definitely a security system for “the island”, and much more!

Good thoughts! +1

rise, I like the idea of coming up with some reason other than the fact that he didn’t repent—something more tied to his actions on the island and to the security system. The speech you quoted about the important work and the distractions, though, I’ve been thinking since rewatching that scene that it was the button pushing itself that was the distraction and Eko misinterpreted the message. I think one thing that swung me to that interpretation was that in the vision there’s a moment where the earth starts to shake just as it did when they stopped pushing the button. I thought perhaps that was what was supposed to happen—that was the important work that needed to be done.

I agree with jaz.

I also think that Smokie killed Eko-not because he wouldn’t repent of his sins, but because he could not be easily manipulated by the island.

Before Smokie killed him he was confronted in the jungle by victims that he had murdered, and told by the creepy little alter boy to repent and yet he still refused.By that time he should have been at breaking point, just as John was after Boone died or when he saw the tv screens in the Pearl.

Instead he faced his dead brother and told him he only did what he had to do to survive.Obviously the wrong answer. I think he was supposed to , at this point, surrender to the will of the island. Just as Locke and probably Desmond already has.

There’s a quote somewhere from the PTB about Yemi being “a manifestation of the island.” Take it for what it’s worth. Most people assume that means it’s one of shape-shifting smokey’s many guises, others think it’s not. Personally, the idea that smokey can shape shift into whoever it wants seems a tad lame to me—almost like a cop out in a way.

Mind you, Cerberus, in mythology, guarded the gates of Hell so people wouldn’t be able to LEAVE—it didn’t guard it from people coming there. What did Cooper say the island was? “Hell.” Maybe Smokey kills whoever it deems is a threat to leave/hurt the island.

Actually, I’ve just thought of an idea. What if there really was a sickness, and the island was somehow seperated from the rest of the world. In the event of a “sick” person escaping to the real world, a new plague could be formed, thus spreading quickly and destroying the world. Smokey was designed to see who the sick ones were and ‘quarantine’ them on the island.

You can’t divide by zero! I have been told to stay away from Mathematics, but I can’t resist. In a previous post, the relationship between Stephen King and the Producers of Lost were discussed. I will soon write my own Theory about this relationship, but for now let me add this little tidbit.

The Island, Smoke monster, Locke and Ben have a good reason why they don’t want that Freighter to reach the Island. And yes I believe that Ben, Smoky and Locke are all working together. The smoke monster can’t just kill everyone that it feels as a threat. The smoke monster has been very restrictive on whom it chooses to kill because you can’t divide by zero!!

More to come from San Diego, CA stay tuned.

Bill I don’t agree that Ben & The Island are working together, the most obvious example of their different interests being when Ben clearly tries to cause Locke to doubt the numbers/button after the ‘Island’ worked so hard to get him to believe. Desmond was on the brink of suicide and the button was going to stop being pressed until Locke was compelled to find the hatch, press the button, and contain the EMP. I think Locke is an easily manipulated slave with two masters fighting for his dedication.

You simply can’t divide by zero!!!! Remember at the very end of TTLG Ben and Locke were on the same side. Locke did not try to kill Ben, He tried to kill Naomi.

I think the Island is a “key”. I am trying to think of a theory that will support my thesis. It has alot to do with the Dark Tower Series by Stephen King, actually the more I think about it, the more I feel that I have figured this whole entire program completely out!!

You just can’t divide by zero, that is what the Island is protecting!!!

Ben and Locke weren’t on the same side though, Ben wanted the freighter to come and Locke didn’t. Am I missing something?

Yes, Ben warns Jack not to contact the freighter at the end of TTLG. Approximately a minute later, Locke throws a knife at Naomi and tells Jack not to contact the frighter. As you know my hero, call the ship anyway because he want to get off the island.

Listen, you just can’t divide by zero. Maybe the island is just a machine or a key or something. I am still trying to formulate a theory.

What’s with this divide by 0?

Anyways, Just because Ben says ‘dont contact the ship’ doesn’t mean he doesn’t want him to. Almost every action Ben has taken has been to ensure that Jack DOES call. Ben makes people think it’s ‘their idea’. He made Jack & Locke think they were working against him when in reality they were doing exactly what he wanted. There are endless theories on here substantiating this.

rise, great thoughts about Eko and Smokey. I never bought the theory about Eko dying because he didn’t repent, just never made sense to me.

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billinsandiego: I think it’s time for another lengthy session with your ‘spiritual advisor’ . I’m feeling overwhelmed by your negativity and continual bashing of members on site.

The whole “hatch” thing remains a mystery to me. Why would smokie care? When the hatch imploded (really EXploded) the sky turned purple, and …. well, nothing. To date we have no information on any consequences. It seems a very elaborate security system to keep the sky from turning purple for a few minutes.

Not that there’s anything wrong with the theory, per se, my whine refers simply to the fact that the loss of the swan has had no consequences.

There was a very, very, very significant consequence of the hatch imploding.

The arctic listening team located the Island.

bill in san diego…

what has dividing by zero got to do with ben, locke or anything, who’s trying to divide?? if they can’t do it with zero then what number are they using?? could they multiply if all else failed?? is the medication wearing off ??

Risebysin always has the best theories. I enjoy reading these and I look forward to your next post! +1

stealthfly, why don’t you make yourself useful and go hunt down Santa Claus? He’s been all over the place shouting “Ho! Ho! Ho!” at little children, surely that is politically incorrect of him to call them names like that. Since you are obviously the self-appointed watchdog of PC, and given that his reindeer have been violating city sanitation ordinances everywhere, shouldn’t you be buzzing your way on over there? You might want to be careful when checking out the reindeer violations though, I hear those reindeer hooves are sharp as razor blades.

Rise, a good theory, and also I’m on board with Jazprof’;s and Wtf’s comments. It could be that Ben and Locke are after the same goals but for different reasons. Example: Maybe Ben thinks that destroying hatches will destroy what keeps Smoky functioning, while Locke thinks that destroying hatches will set Smoky free?

Locke has no goals, he is a pawn on the game board. I think there’s a tug-of-war between the Island & Ben for the ability to control Locke. Because of his mundane miserable empty life & his delusions of grandeur he is by far the easiest Lostie to manipulate. Even Charlie makes him look like a fool by helping Sawyer get the guns. His buttons are the easiest ones to press. Bring him into the Others’ camp and say ‘they’ve been expecting you’ and away we go.

Ironically, I believe that when it’s all said and done Locke will realize how easily he’s been manipulated and will sacrifice himself for the greater good, begging the question, was he wrong about his destiny? Maybe he WAS meant to have a great destiny, after all, he died to save the Losties didn’t he? Kind of a catch 22 situation.

I like your assessment of Locke, pretty much each and every word of it. Only one thing though, he probably thinks he has goals, he just doesn’t know what they are until the spur of the moment.

Exactly, he has checkpoints, but no personal attachment to them other than to ‘fulfill’ his destiny. He’s like a worker bee obsessed with doing his job.

Rise, I agree with your assessment of Locke being a pawn. I think he is “the islands” biggest pawn, in concert with Ben’s at the same time. His whole life has prepared him for his role as such!

Eko died for getting arrested by the locals—same for Anna and Libby

Jin is next

I have already read a theory that stated that Locke was never supposed to enter the hatch. The theory goes that if Locke had climbed up to the plane instead of Boone he would have seen the question mark, and found the pearl, realized it was all a sham, and never opened the swan. Locke did not do this and the swan was opened. Notice that the smoke monster attacked locke twice on the way to open the hatch. The smoke monster then contacts Eko and tells him to bring locke to the question mark and realize what the hatch really is. Eko misinterpreted this and insisted that the button should continue to be pressed….. If the smoke monster is protecting the island, he never wanted these hatches open for whatever reason.

I think Mr. Eko died in some response to this.

The actor was fired because of too many traffic violations. Same with that Hispanic girl. Daneil Dea Kim just had a DUI so he’s next.

very great, very interesting theories guys! very well done, whatever the reason for mr ekos death, weve got to remember 1 very important thing! mr eko so,so,so rocks and he is the total best forever yeh man and ever!