What if there is no Smokey, but Smokies?
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By xiv
- What if there is no Smokey, but Smokies?
- Created: Aug 31, 2007
- Last updated: Aug 14, 2008
- After episode: 3.22: Through The Looking Glass
- Status: Current
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What if there is no Smokey.. but Smokies?
— xiv
I kept thinking lately about Smokey.. and wondered if there was just one of it. Some things that happens on this Island make me believe there might be more than one around.
My theory is not really a pure scientific one.. I know some of you don’t like these theories, but hey.. we know that Lost is not 100% about science :)
It all started when I remembered this conversation between Locke & Eko, when John said “i saw a bright light and it was beautiful” and then Eko answered “this is not what i saw”.
We have been speculated that Smokey might judge people and that this could be the reason why Eko didn’t see what Locke saw (Locke is good, Eko is bad). We also speculated that Smokey was controlled by Ben (gosh.. i really HATED that theory :)) But then I remembered that there was this incident when Smokie tried to take Locke away (exodus part II). I remember that the monster acted quite aggresively which was very different then Locke’s first encounter with Smokey (Walkabout).
Lostpedia says : “After his past encounter with the Monster in “Walkabout”, Locke was confident he would not be harmed and decided to approach it instead of running. This time, however, the Monster did attack him and knocked him to the ground. After looking up in horror, Locke got up and started running frantically. He was then “grabbed” by the Monster and dragged across the ground by his left foot.”
Could it be… that there is more than one Smokey? Maybe there are a few, and like everything else on this island, some are “good” (white) and some are “bad” (black). The first encounter Locke had was with a good Smokey and “it was beautiful”… that’s why he felt so confident when he saw it again in Exodus. But this time, he met another smokey, and it was the same one that killed Eko later.
I remember someone here on this forum posted that the authors said that there was already a very important hint in the first season of Lost. I rewatched the Pilot and I saw something amazing. Remember when they are awakened by the smoke monster? They all look into the direction of the noise, and then later they hear another noise from another side and then look into that other direction. That could be a lead that there is more than one smokey!
Now I will go a little bit further even… what if there are really many of them, but most of them hide (invisible).. this could explain the whispers.. maybe they are observing, talking to each other and sometimes appear in their original form (as smoke) or can take any shape (yeni, kate’s horse ..).
Remember some of the whispers: Female Voice- “Maybe we should just talk to him” Male Voice- “No if he see us it will ruin everything” Male Voice- “What did he see” or “Did he see us?” “Maybe”
So that means that the ones that are whispering CAN be seen. And they could take some kind of shape.
The fact that a Smokey could take the form of Kate’s horse or Eko’s brother, proves that they can read minds, determine frustrations and hope. That would give them some really special powers.
Now.. what if Dave on the Island was not just Hurley’s imagination? Remember that Dave beat Hurley up to prove he was real? That was always a pain to understand. Hurley always seemed healed to me. He acted very normally on the Island. Why would he suddenly see this Dave again? I think that this could be another (bad) Smokey taking the form of Dave to try to kill Hurley.
I hope it’s not too far fetched.. but nothing proves that there is just one… and it seems so much more likely that there is a few of them around.
Thanks for listening :)
Key characters
| Short Name | Full Name | Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|
| Eko | Mr. Eko | 2.21, 3.5, 2.7, 2.10 | 287 |
| John | John Locke | 3.3, 2.17, 1.4, 1.19, 3.13, 3.19, 4.11, & 3” href=”/episodes/theres-no-place-home-parts-2-3/”>4.13 | 1228 |
Key episodes
| # | Title | Aired | Central character | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1.24 | Exodus: Part 2 | 5-25-2005 | Charlie | 130 |
| 1.4 | Walkabout | 10-14-2004 | John | 116 |
| 1.1 | Pilot, Part 1 | 9-24-2004 | Jack | 363 |
Remember when they are awakened by the smoke monster? They all look into the direction of the noise, and then later they hear another noise from another side and then look into that other direction. That proves that there is more than one smokey!
Xiv I respectfully disagree. I’m not saying you are wrong but I don’t think you have proved anything as it were. We don’t know anything about Smokey yet so we have no idea whether Smokey can move abnormally fast, split itself or even clone itself.
I think the point you make about the hidden observers is very pertinent though. I hadn’t thought about it but obviously they can be seen if they are worried about being seen. Well done for spotting that one.
Overall I think this is a good theory. I think the ideas are sound, its just that we need to be careful of falling into the trap of thinking we are dealing with solid fact!
mrssawyer: you are right, so i changed my sentence from “That proves” to “That could be a lead” :)
good idea +1 maybe there are two smokies battleing for the hearts and minds of the losties one evil one good!
katrina: he hears the tapping when he’s still inside the house. So I guess his mother (or, more likely, the one taking his mother’s form - e.g. smokie) tapped on the window to let Ben see her.
Maybe these sounds are made by the ones taking these specific forms to get the attention of the ones that are supposed to see it ) Why would they put themselves into a specific form (related to someone’s past) if it’s not to be seen by that specific someone? :)
katrina: absolutely! You made me think even deeper about the subject! :)
What if the smokies have their own agenda and transform to influence the losties to do some things? Like this dream Locke had that made him find the Pearl, Ben seeing his mother led him to join the Hostiles, Jack finding fresh water ….
http://lost-theories.com/theories/2007/jul/14/smoke-monsters/
xiv: check out this theory I posted it a while back and it could work nicely with your theory, I truly believe there’s more that one Smokey. It’s the only thing that explains the randomness of it’s behavior.
xiv you just took the theory right out of my mouth, so to speak. I was thinking about smokey and thought that it could actually read peoples thoughts and take the form of their memories, i.e. Jack’s father, Hurley’s friend, Yemi. Its amazing how it seems to find the people closest to the losties.
+1 defo
I forgot, +1 here.
xiv: Another good theory! The transcripts of the whispers are really spooky, aren’t they??? They have to mean something.
I don’t know if the whispers are smokey or a different element entirely, but I tend towards your theory.
+1 again, good job!
DSNumber1Fan: i guess we had the same idea! :)
Try to view again the Pilot. The part where the Losties wake up because of the noise. When they suddenly hear another noise from the other side, i was like … WTF…. no way the monster could move that fast from place A to place B. There must be two (or more!) :)
Annie79: i also wondered if they could be another entity.. but then again.. i was thinking about how complicated it would be if there is AGAIN another element… I think the authors made it difficult enough for us to understand it, and I don’t think they will add another dimension.
I really believe it’s the “smokies” that are whispering :)
Yea, i really like this theory…I’m not sure about multiple smokies, but i def thinnk there are two, ggod/bad, black/white….I’m also inclined to believe they take the shapes of our characters visions…+1
Another smoky character vision could be the walt seen by both shannon and locke. Led Shannon to her death and Locke towards killing Naomi.
In http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Whispertranscripts#.22TheCostofLiving.22 you can view some whispers just after the Monster throws Eko on the ground. Some of them are:
“What happened” “Shhhh” “What’s happening” “Now we got his… / I don’t want to kill him”
Also, http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Whisper_transcripts#.22TheManBehindtheCurtain.22 when Ben is at the fence at night one whisper says “Help us come through the fence”…
This really makes me think the smoke monsters (that cannot go through the fence) are the ones whispering…
jamtay1: absolutely!
I think it’s possible there could be more than one Smoky, I like the theory. Could have been designed for different functions, or could have initially been one unit but then split up (incident). There could be other explanations for seeming personality differences, but this is certainly one possibility.
Just had another thought
As the smoke monster is made up of 3 separate smoke monsters, could it be then, that, separately they can roam around the island, take on people’s forms and maybe even go transparent (if they can take on the form of a memory, surely they can turn invisible). The voices we hear could be these little smokey’s but when they join together, one of them seems to take control. In one instance it could be the ‘good’ one and in another the ‘bad’ one so to say.
I say this because, if you remember, Hurley’s friend was a comical and non-violent whereas Yemi for example, was very sinister in Eko’s last vision of him.
The different smoke monsters may have different characteristics (regardless of how many there are). They roam the island, and whomever they find, they toy with. I just think somehow, that the smoke monster is obedient to something or someone else, I just get that feeling.
Lost: I’m not sure they are only 3, but it is possible. And I think there are female & male smokies (sounds stupid but I think it’s true). Since some whispers we hear are definately from a female voice and others from a male voice.
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Per the blast door map, the security system (Smoky) was called Cerberus, Greek mythology dog with 3 heads. The 3 parts of Smoky? Seems like they wouldn’t have given it such a name without it being a clue.
If smokey is controlled by more than one person, it would explain perfectly the personality differences. Maybe Smokey doesn’t have a mind of its own, it could be just a tool reflecting the personality of the one/ones controlling it.
Blocke what? Explain yourself at least.
xiv: I think this thread is appropriate for this discussion:
http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2007/apr/18/ole-smokey-tulpa/
I like it xiv…
aha.. Hexagon! Where u been?
Hmm good theory xiv, I like it lot.
To coincide with it, I’m pretty sure that in one episode, you briefly and I do mean very briefly, see Smokey break into a ‘three headed’ monster?
Also, there maybe four of them as on the Blast Door map, there are 4 vents?
Maybe somebody can explain this to me, I seem to be confused. Don’t there have to be two smokies?
The fence that the DI built keeps smokie out, right? But in “Left Behind” smokie is inside the perimeter and Kate and Juliet have to turn the fence off in order to escape from it.
Did I misinterpret or miss something?