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Dude I appreciate the sentiment. I think most of us realised your theory should not have been debunked but I think Kat found a way of getting round it. I think you just have to edit the original or something….. Might be easier on the eye.

Still I liked this first time round and I like it again now.

Namaste!

Um why TF have you been -1 for this?

Jacob is not Jack! Period!

You obviously didn’t look at the screencaps from DarkUFO. It’s not blury! It’s plain as day! Anyone who can look at those pictures and see Jack is a flippin’ retard! I can’t believe you are so emotionally attatched to this weak theory that you can’t accept the evidence. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Jacob is not Jack!

Look Again. And this time be objective. It’s so obviously not Jack.

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-05-10T06%3A04%3A00%2B01%3A00&max-results=10

I can confidently say that the Jack = Jacob theory is debunked. Debunked based on Evidence from the T.V. show. We don’t need the producers to tell us what’s clear as day. Or do you. If that’s what it takes then you’re hopeless until they start doing podcasts again.

Andy, man, even lockeko isn’t that harsh. Take a lude dude. :)

Mrs is right Willy. You need to clean it up text wise or just link to the original theory.

Glad to see you are back posting again though!

Namaste :)

Andy: Screencaps from DarkUFO, um is that like the official Lost site then? I debunk YOU! Really NO need to be so rude is there.

Once again “our” theory is back on track.

This board seems to have a problem with children debunking things they don’t like. It’s also difficult to maneuver around thus making it very easy to someone to dig up others theories and make them their own. I’m not saying WilliamWonka did this because I know he didn’t…he and I just came up with the same theory at the same time.

Children….if you can’t be original, don’t be at all.

Much more pleasing on the eyes. Thanks.

@ andy

Your mom is calling you please return home and clean your room

@howey

Always remember that mine was up on May 24th and yours on June 1st. :)

@rest

thanks for your support. I’m trying to get this out of the debunked pile the best way I can. Kat’s solution only works if the theory is not commented on or voted on. This theory for some reason still strikes a chord with people either in a postive way or negative way so it rarely stays up for more than an hour without someone either commenting on it or voting on it. This lead to me having to constantly edit and save to get it back out of the debunk pile. This was quite annoying. Anywho, I hope the discussion on this theory will continue now that it is out debunk. I’d really like to hear some people’s opinions on the new Dharma rabbit video and its connection with this theory. Cheers.

Willy Kat’s theory was commented on and she managed to get it back. I’m sure she will have the answers for you.

Btw ‘Andy your mom is calling you etc’, sheer genius!

@ mrssawyer

Kat and I have discussed this since for some reason we seem to be the biggest targets of these children. I know how to get it out of the debunked pile, the problem is that after a comment or vote is entered on the theory after it is out of the pile it immediately returns to the pile. If you were to go to Kat’s Desmond theory right now and enter a comment or vote for it; it would return to the debunked pile immediately. Not that i’m telling you to do this. Therefore, constantly resaving the theory so that it would come out of the debunk pile got too tedious considering it was going back into the pile approximately every hour.

Ah je comprende. In which case I most certainly do NOT recommend this course of action.

How annoying though. Thanks for clarifaction 111.

Sorry 111 are you also Willy?

Yup. 111 is me. I created this to see how easy aliases were to create and my firefox browser was defaulted on it for my last login. BTW, its very easy to create aliases on this site. Cheers WW

You got my plus one brutha.

hang in there WW…

Nice theory. I’m right there with you on not trusting the PTB word on certain subject matter. Hell, if they just told us the truth about everything, what fun would revealing the secrets of Lost be?

I also don’t know why people are disagreeing with this theory on the basis of the photo of Jacob. First off, the person who’s Jacob in that scene isn’t even an actor, it’s someone that works for Lost in some way. Secondly, do you really think they’d just reveal that Jacob is Jack in that picture? That would give away half of the show! +1

Whether or not Jack is Jacob…..this theory cant be debunked until the writers say he isnt.

+1 again…

If you flag this theory ,at least comment.

I clicked on the +1 but the vote number didnt change.

Went away and came back and tried again…….still nothing.??

+1 I’m with wtf, can’t be debunked until the writers say Jack isn’t Jacob.

And for goodness sake, don’t be a child, if you’re going to debunk someones hardwork, comment!!!!!!

William W,

I really enjoyed your thoughts. I’m not necessarily saying I belive Jack is Jacob - but he could be. We all know from the FF that Jack desperately needs to get back to the island. We just don’t know exactly how or if he finds a way. The Jacob connection would be surreal!

I like it! +1

I have not flagged the theory. I think the theory is wrong, b/c there is no evidence that Jack= jacob. When you are going to make assertions about the show, you need to have some evidence, or you get what you deserve, a theory removed to the foot dungeon. So, while it is true in the sense that this theory has not been dubunked by the writers, it is also true that there is no credible evidence that the theory is true. Really this is more speculation than theory. A real theory is based on evidence contained in the show. The picures don’t look like Jack, future Jack is a junkie, and jacob is currently on the island- not flying around the pacific being a drunk. Also, there is a real arrogance to this theory. Even if some people agree with it, there are enough flaggers that don’t agree with it to get it moved off the main page. This is nothing like Katrina’s theory. This one is just speculation and it probably deserved the flagging it got.

Lockeko….I speculate that 50% of the clues/evidence on Lost are red herrings and many theories are based on those red herrings.

I just think theres an arrogance to debunking a thought out theory,whether I believe its wrong or right.

Just give it a negative.

I didn’t debunk it, I’m just saying I don’t really think its a theory if its pure speculation. Thats all.

Ok Lockeko…….I hate it when we fight : )

@ WTF we’re not fighting babe, I over reacted when I thought you were lumping me with the debunkers. I rareley flag, even when the poster tells us to. I am more of a commenter. I’m sorry for snappin’ back at ya while ago. You know you rock in my book.

Williewonka, howie, and steve walk into a bar…..

Was the bar in New Jersey???

Who’s Steve?

Willie - I know your theory was posted before mine. I believe I posted it on May 28th on the ABC board.

I was just impressed that someone was thinking along the same lines as me. Good work.

definitely wtf

sorry man, i think jack’s nose is too pointy…it’s obvious john locke…to me…

nice theory though!!

“Andy: Screencaps from DarkUFO, um is that like the official Lost site then? I debunk YOU! Really NO need to be so rude is there.”

First: Screencaps are just that. They are images captured from the screen while the show is playing. It doesn’t matter how official DarkUFO is; those pictures come directly from the show and I think the show is pretty official. Kudos to DarkUFO for the time and effort put in to give us those screencaps.

Second: If defending my comments makes me a baby, so be it. I politely refuted Wonka’s theory and this is the response I got.

Wonka: “Because of a blurry screenshot of a person the producers purposefully flashed in a way to not give away anything. You feel confident in debunking this theory. People are funny.”

New Jersey: “People debunked this theory because of a 2 second clip of a person? We’ve seen things that look weird before, eko’s brother, Jacks dad, Kats’s pony. This theory wouldn’t be debunked if he had said Desmond is Jacob. People don’t like Jacks character anymore so people think they can take it out on your theory. Redic- Great theory screw the stupid fcuks that debunked this”

Third: When you look at these screencaps you see one of three things.

1. Jacob is Jack!

2. Jacob is not Jack!

3. It’s not clear enough to see that Jacob is or isn’t Jack.

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-05-10T06%3A04%3A00%2B01%3A00&max-results=10

Decide what you believe. I don’t see how anyone could honestly see #1. And in my opinion I think #3 is rediculous too.

Jacob is cleary not Jack.

andy…

defending your comments doesn’t make you a baby, or make you rude. saying “Anyone who can look at those pictures and see Jack is a flippin’ retard!” is both rude and juvenile.

personally, i agree with you about Jacob not being Jack, although I think it’s a cool theory nonetheless. but there’s no need for name-calling. ever.

Andy, lets consider the evidence here. First statement: ‘Anyone who can look at those pictures and see Jack is a flippin’ retard!’

Second statement: ‘I politely refuted Wonka’s theory.’

Okaaaaaay!

For the record I was being tongue in cheek. If you hang around and don’t get your knickers in a twist everytime someone disagrees with you, you might get to find that out.

On the risk of taking this thread way off course. I’m unconvinced that Jacob is even real. The two best pieces of evidence for his actual existence is the curing of Juliette’s sister’s cancer, and Locke’s meeting with him in the shack.

In the case of Juliette’s sister, the only reason we have to suspect that her cancer has come back (since she makes it clear that she’s cancer free when she drops Juliette off) is Ben’s claim that it has come back. That claim might have just been made to keep Juliette on the island. Ben does seem to lie on a fairly frequent basis or at least twist the truth in a way that’s useful for him.

As for the meeting in the shack, that meeting ended up with Locke doing very much what Ben would have wanted. Namely, trying to stop Jack from making the call to get the losties rescued. Indeed, it seems to me that if Ben was really concerned with what “Jacob” said to Locke he could have very easily killed him. Rather than shoot him in his non-existent kidney, he could have shot him in the head or the chest.

The question then is how did Ben achieve the illusion that there was someone in the shack. To that I have no answer. However, it seems plausible to me that Jacob is a elaborate ruse on the part of Ben to keep people doing what he wants them to do.

iwish,

I agree with you completely! I’ve hesitated to comment on any Jacob thread, because in my opinion, there just isn’t enough evidence the guy is even real! I have to laugh, because after seeing his image for only a split second, this mostly “invisible” guy is considered to be the leader of the island! Maybe yes, or maybe no - but I’m with you, the jury is still out on this one.

I gave this a +1 and the other guy a +1, there are good arguments either way. There obvious something very strange on that island. I am glad I am not on it!

This theory sucks. you know where to find me.

I am liking this theory. It plays off the idea of some kind of fluctuationof time/existance as we know it…which is the underlying concept of the show. Why else would there be flashbacks and “flashforwards” if the premise was not based on “time” in one way or another. Jack is obsessed with the past in everyway. His tatoo means “leader”, “great man” but it is noted that this will make him lonely and angry.

First of all, i must take my hat off, the theory rocks… though i think the image of jacob, is quite disturbing, he really reseambles john loke, and it also has sense, i wanted to add a few thoughts that contribuites to this theory wheather jacob is john or jack.

First, ben{s devotion to jacob:

I beliave jacob have been on the island for a while, so as he is an agent from the “future”( jack or jhon) both know that ben was going to die, so they just proveed ben that, and gave him a way to solve it ( take jack, with his friends on custody, and make jack perform the operation that saves you) Why kate? easy, the love bond jack has wih her, why sawyer? easy to, the third in disscuss, playable for blackmailing actions between them.

So ben really starts to believe on jacob´s powers, and devote to him, becouse he saved his life, tought there is a problem, jacob knows, that having ben on his side is just a 50% of what he needs, cuz he is not in positioon of convincing his past self( if he is jack) or convincing ayone else if it{s jhon-

on the other hand it´s makes sense jacob been jhon, cuz the folowing. When jhon enters jacob´s house, to meet him, jacobs ( future john ) could{t be seen by jhon, becouze of the time paradox , but still, when he gets closer, he was about to create that paradox, and thats why the whole terremote, not jacobs powers, but the paradox, off been toghether jaboc and jhon. starting to cause the time destruccion ( this is, jacob making the bet on triyng to get jhon listen the ” help me”, wich almost causes the time destructions) i´m from argentina, and it´s quite dificult to express what i want to say in english, i hope this ideas nutrish the theory in some way. thanks for the brain sweep- keep going williwonka, it´s not a matter of knowing exactly what is going to happend or if your theory is the rigth one, is just giving ideas that will construct what is realy going to happend, or just having funn with this.

There is a point I thought of that has absolutely no evidence to back it up, but who says that Jack has to “look” like Jack if he is Jacob? That is getting into more sci-fi than sci-fact though. It is just a thought.

More to think of. There are 5 new actors announced for the upcomming season. One of whom is Jeff Fahey. He looks a lot like the screen capture of Jacob. I am not saying that he will be Jacob.

Final note, and this is a memory of seeing something or reading something that I can’t remember what it was, but I will tell you that I recall hearing that the producers said that Jacob is not a “new character” but someone we have seen before… I dont know if they are counting the 11 frames of Jacob in the last episode or not as “seeing him before” or if they had Jeff Fahey, or whoever will play Jacob actually sitting in the chair. I agree that the person in the chair does not look like Matthew Fox. (This doesnt mean that it isnt Jack, as stated above)

I am very sorry that I cannot find any evidence of what I said here. Take from it what you will.

The producers have already told us that we never ssen Jacob before. So it can not be Jack or any other character from season 1,2 and 3.

Excellent theory, and the reason why I joined up!!

In addition though, I think when people leave the island, they travel backwards in time…

1. JACK - When we see the flash-forward, Jack says that his prescription was written by his father (Who died?!?!?!?) He also says to go and get his father down here, and if I am drunker than him, you can sack me. So, he has either lost the plot, or has went back in time to when his father was still alive. Or perhaps when they travel back through time, circumstances change, and his father doesn’t die.

2. desmond - When Desmond turned the key, he left the island. And obviously went back in time, as he knew what was going to happen when he met Charlie and when he was in the bar. When he got knocked with the cricket bat, he somehow returned to the Island.

3. richard - Richard could know how to leave the Island and how to return. That could explain why he never ages.

4. NAOMI - Naomi says that Occeanic Flight 815 was found at the botom of the occean. And that all passengers were found dead. This could be because that although it is the same flight, The Losties aren’t on this flight because they have all went back through time and this time, they didn’t get on that flight because circumstances changed (Jack’s dad didn’t die, so therefore, Jack didn’t have to go to Australia)

Anyways, that’s what I think, feel free to shoot it down!! So long as you have evidence to!!!

+1 from me, and I’m sorry to hear that people are being stupid and flagging this awesome theory. It inspired me to come up with my own. It is contradictory to yours, and it is not well thought out, nor does it go into as much depth, but you inspired me to come up with it, nonetheless. Thanks again!!!

“Why it’s a Scrumdiddlyumptious bar!….a scrumdiblyumptions bar?”

WW,

Yes, your theory is very fascinating and does account for much of the data in the show. Given your take, the very statement by Jack at the end of season III, “we have to go BACK” implies as much to time as it does to space/place (the island.) As a theory goes, its as clever as any. I cannot commit to any theory yet, as I think there is still far too many things to be revealed (I mean, a theory of season I must have changed once a person viewed season II and III), but no doubt the relativity of time on the island will be a theme.

Great job.

you are a Genius…!!! this is the best theory ever…! I LOVE IT::::!!!!!

Ok. So I’m rewatching Season 1 and I’m not nearly as good at these theories as you guys are, BUT the whole idea of Jack being Jacob (even though i kind of think it’s Locke because the freeze frame looks MUCH more like Locke) works with something said in the episode when they find the cave. There Jack finds two people that have been laid to rest together - a man and a woman. He speaks of them possibly having come there from their own plane crash and they have a little bag with one black and one white stone in it with them. Then John, I think, says something to the idea of “the islands own Adam and Eve.” Could this possibly be Jack and Kate? I don’t know. Just throwing it out there.

Jack also says that based on their clothes - the bodies have obviously been there for 40 to 50 years.

@MonikaLost

I agree on the top part of your post. He looks much more like Locke. And that would also explain why at the end of season3 John says to jack: You are not suppose to do this.

And ofcourse they had to make sure Jacob doesnt look like anyone you know in the quick minute you see him orelse it would have gave the story away.

@ MonikaLost

Another thing I will point out is that they clearly show Jack putting the b/w stones in his pocket. In fact, they made a point of shooting it as a close-up.

Also, how is that connected with the “two sides” bit Locke was telling Walt?

Speaking of Walt, this whole thing about the 815 plane being at the bottom of the ocean gives a new angle to Bea asking Michael if Walt has ever appeared somewhere he shouldn’t be.

I found this thread after viewing this one:

http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2007/may/07/great-gedanken-experiment-tale/

So…to support your theory: In the flash forward of Jack at the hospital, when he is drunk, filled with pills and in falling all over the place, the other doctor says ‘lets go into my office and talk’ and Jack says: CALL UP TO MY FATHER’S OFFICE. IF I AM MORE DRUNK THAN HE IS THEN YOU CAN FIRE ME. The other doctor does not flinch when he says this. So…is his father still alive in the flash forwards?

This is relatively plausible, and I wrote a theory that supports it and explores some other things of it’s own.

http://lost-theories.com/theories/2008/feb/05/casimir-effect-jackjacob-theor/

I LOVE THIS THEORY!!!!! And for the record the actor playing Jacob was someone from the set because they have not cast it yet…or have they? (Jack). So right now Jacob isn’t gonna look like anyone, not Jack , not Locke!! The only person to have been in that chair for a fact is Christian Shepard which I think leans more towards Jack being Jacob or at the very least a descendent of him. I think that that moment where we see who Jacob is is going to a “wow” moment maybe even not revealed until the series finale, they probably wouldn’t give us that answer right now. I think that Ben has Jacob trapped and for the record I think Ben is full of crap and he can’t hear Jacob talk at all! Maybe he can see him but he cannot hear him. When they were at the cabin Ben is talking Jacob and Locke hears nothing we know that John can hear him when he says “Help Me”. John asks”What did u say ?”,to Ben? Ben realizes that He did not say anything so John hears Jacob not him. Why else does he keep asking John after he shoots him “What did Jacob say to you?”, John answers “Help me”. Ben says something like u need to help yourself and asks him again. FInally John responds “Help me”. When Ben realized that John heard Jacob he flipped out. Why would he need to keep asking him what Jacob said to him if He himself can hear Jacob talk? I know Ben can see his mom but has he ever heard her say anything? I can’t remember… Ben is using Jacob as a way of controlling what “the others” do, by saying “Jacob wants us to do this or this”. If Jacob flips out it is because he is trapped and wants out and if people see this they think “wow He is a bad person or whatever” so we had better listen to Ben. And Ben knows that no one will ever figure out he is unable to hear Jacob because no one else can hear him either….until Locke shows up.

oops +1 from me!!!

Jack is not Jacob, although an interesting theory, a false one.

Why would Jack not be fond of techonology? I’m pretty sure he loves it.

From a writers POV, Jack being Jacob just doesn’t make for an interesting storyline. I’m more interested in Jacob being the man behind the curtain of the island or a Black Rock survivor or something.

I like what fitzie has to say on post # 42… however I can’t agree with the theory that Jack is Jacob. I could see a similar scenario with Locke being Jacob, but jack doesn’t make sense.