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The producers have said that at the end of LOST, Adam and Eve will be the evidence they were not making it up as they go along.

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This is a relatively long one, so either be ready to sit down and read at your computer, or print it out first. Or whatever. Just don’t bitch that it’s too long.

The producers have said that at the end of LOST, Adam and Eve will be the evidence they were not making it up as they go along. I believe that this information gives us a very clear picture of what must be embodied by the 2 characters who will end up being Adam and Eve (the two skeletons found at the caves in S01e06 (“House of the Rising Sun”).

My givens are that:

1) In order to prove that they knew what they were doing, Adam and Eve must be accounted for in s01e01 (“Pilot, part 1”), because that is where the story begins.

2) The symbolism involved with this particular pair of people will most likely embody most (if not all) of the prevalent themes on the show. To that end, I believe the specific themes attached to Adam and Eve are Black & White, Connections, Cons & Deceptions, Faith, Fate vs. Free Will, “Good”, Healing, Irony, Life & Death, Love, Numbers (4-8-15-16-23-42), Pairs, Redemption, Relationship Issues, Salvation, and Secrets. I will address each of these individually, as this represents the bulk of my theory.

3) Because Adam and Eve are the only two bodies found in the cave, it appears they are alone at the time they die in the caves. This may well be chronologically before the plane crashes in s01e01, but could just as easily simultaneously be episodically after that point, when taking into account both the apparent odd behavior of time on the show and point number 1.

I believe that Adam and Eve are most likely Bernard and Rose. I am not the first person to post this theory, but I like it more and more as I re-watch earlier episodes. They fit the criteria for point 1, as in s01e01 Rose tells jack her husband is in the bathroom on the plane. Onto our themes.

Black & White: Well, Bernard is white-skinned while Rose is black-skinned, and while this is a very directed indicator towards the Adam and Eve thing this only scratches the surface. On a more subtle level, they are diametrically opposed on just about every topic, and are seen disagreeing with each other constantly. While Rose is calm and accepting, Bernard is an impatient “do-er”. Before coming to the Island, Bernard is a man of faith who brings Rose to a faith healer, but Rose is a skeptic who believes the faith healer is a scam. On the Island, Rose begins to exhibit faith since the Island has healed her, but Bernard finds it hard to believe that everyone is so willing to adjust to life on the Island, noting the unlikeliness of the DHARMA supply drop. The examples are many, but the point is that in many ways they represent the Black & White dichotomy to a “T”. In fact, they exemplify it so well that they perfectly embody the entire zen/yin-yang/bagua/binary aspect of the show that so closely mirrors the Black & White paradigm. This is the theme that really anchors this theory for me.

Connections: Bernard and Rose are the only 2 survivors who knew each other well enough before the crash who were separated among the 2 camps, making them the only way to reliably prove that the “other” camp was not, in fact, the Others. Without this link, it may have been impossible for the 2 camps to trust each other. Bernard was also the first member of the tail section camp to communicate with anyone from the midsection camp (Boone via the radio in the drug smugglers’ plane). Rose was also the only person to suggest that there were other survivors beyond the midsection camp, because she knows her husband is not dead, due to the obviously strong connection between her and Bernard.

Cons & Deceptions: Bernard started out by deceiving Rose on their honeymoon and bringing her to a faith healer, Isaac of Uluru, whom she believed to be a scam artist. Rose then reciprocated by letting him believe Isaac had healed her.

Faith: Rose clearly has faith enough to accept first her medical prognosis of death within the space of a year due to cancer, and then to both believe Bernard was alive, and to be healed by the Island. Bernard has faith enough to believe in a faith healer, and then enough to believe that Rose “just knows” this Island is the place that has healed her.

Fate vs. Free Will: In s02e19 one of the prevalent episode themes (on-Island) is Rose having faith in the Island while Bernard uses raw science to try and get them saved from the Island. In the same episode (flashbacks), Rose believes that she is going to die and has accepted her Fate, while Bernard is sure there is something he can do to change that.

Good”: It is tough to argue that either of them are anything but “Good” people, from a moral point of view. In s01e04 (“Walkabout”), Rose even goes so far as to say to Jack, “You have a good soul.” The first time (chronologically) we see Bernard, he is altruistically doing the “Good” Samaritan thing of helping Rose to get her car out of the snow. We see Rose talk Hurley out of blowing up the hatch, and we see Bernard do our best to try and prevent Ana Lucia from hurting Nathan in s02e07( “The Other 48 Days”).

Healing: Rose’s cancer has been healed by the Island. In addition, Bernard TRIED to heal it in the flashback of s02e19. And he is a dentist, which is certainly a form of doctor.

Irony: Bernard is a dentist, and yet he loves candy. Rose certainly makes her share of ironic remarks, such as the comment to Hurley about the hatch having a washing machine in s02e04 (“Everybody Hates Hugo”), which was meant to be sarcastic, but was true, ironically.

Life & Death: Well, if they are Adam and Eve, and we see them in s01e01, then we know we both see them alive and dead. But in the first scene where we hear Bernard in s01e19, Boone is critically injured leading to his death. In the first scene where we see Bernard in s02e07, he is balanced precariously on a tree, and the man next to him in the seat is dead. In the first scene where we see Rose in s01e01, she is told that everything will be fine by Jack, shortly before more than a hundred die. She is asked to attend the memorial by him a few days later in s01e04 when the midsection survivors burn the bodies in the fuselage.

Love: Obviously they love each other. In fact, they are in love from basically the moment they meet. A lifelong bachelor who proposes to a woman 5 months after he meets her is definitely a sign of love. And a woman who is dying of cancer and is still willing to go out and date is definitely a sign of love. And the fact that this revelation doesn’t stop them from getting married is also a surefire sign of love. moving on.

Numbers (4-8-15-16-23-42): Bernard ended up with 4 people left working on the S.O.S. sign with him of the original 8 who started work on it. Bernard (23E) and Rose (23D) were sitting in row 23 of Oceanic 815, same as Jack. Bernard was one of 23 original survivors still alive from the tail section at the end of Season 1. Rose was one of the 42 surviving passengers from the midsection still alive at the end of Season 1. So far as I can tell, there is no connection from either of them to the numbers 16 or 42, but the producers have said we have not seen the last of them, so it seems likely we will find them connected to all 6 of the Numbers. Alternatively, if the people on LOST Island manage to break the Valenzetti Equation’s curse by the end of the story the Numbers may end up being a red herring, meaning that Adam and Eve need not reflect them. I lean towards we will see 16 and 42 connected to Rose and Bernard up later in the show.

Pairs: Well, they are a couple. One male, one female. One white, one black. There are just about a trillion ways to define Rose and Bernard as 2 parts of a matched set.

Rebirth: They certainly get a shot at a “new life” on the Island, much like everyone else, but also their marriage does. This doesn’t separate them from Jin and Sun though, so we need to look deeper here. More specifically, Rose’s being healed gives her a chance to live again, certainly a form of rebirth. It also gives Bernard a chance to let go of his need to be a “do-er”, which is a form of rebirth for that character in a huge way.

Redemption: Despite having both conned each other, and having both lied to each other, and being separated in a tragic catastrophic plane crash, Rose and Bernard have a chance to start fresh and be honest, open, and together again. And they take it.

Relationship Issues: They do bicker a lot, but never in a way that is mean. In their one flashback episode, they get a little heated, but by the end of the episode work things out, a-la our Love theme.

Salvation: The Island is salvation for both Rose’s health, and their marriage. Bernard tries to build an S.O.S. sign, which is a very old abbreviation for “Save Our Ship”, certainly a reference to Salvation (in fact on lostpedia’s themes page, the S.O.S. sign is the icon for the Salvation theme page).

Secrets: They both kept secrets from each other such as Rose having cancer, or it not being cured, or Bernard taking Rose to a faith healer for their honeymoon and not telling her, or not telling her what his exciting project was going to be s02e19. But Rose also kept Locke’s secret about being crippled. And Bernard keeps Rose’s secret about being healed by the Island, as far as I can tell. I think that if he had gone around claiming the Island had cured Rose’s cancer the producers would have shown that to us.

Point 3 about chronology is one of the 2 things I can’t fully tie to this theory, the other being the Numbers. But, we can’t prove that aspect of this theory with any 2 characters as Adam and Eve until we see the producers tie it together, probably in the final episode. Time will tell on that one.

Well, that about sums it up. Hope you actually managed to read all the way down here. ProfOzone, since I know you made it, this is not the big theory I was talking about.

Comments? Ratings?

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Key characters

Short Name Full Name Episodes Theories
Bernard Bernard Nadler 2.19, 2.7 131
Rose Rose Nadler 2.19 154

Key episodes

# Title Aired Central character Theories
2.19 S.O.S. 4-12-2006 Rose, Bernard 102
2.4 Everybody Hates Hugo 10-12-2005 Hurley 87
1.19 Deus Ex Machina 3-30-2005 John 100
1.6 House of the Rising Sun 10-27-2004 Sun, Jin 89
1.4 Walkabout 10-14-2004 John 116

Key events

Theme Relevant Episodes Theories
“Adam” and “Eve” are discovered 1.6 163
Claire holds memorial service for deceased passengers 1.4 63

Key locations

Theme Relevant Episodes Theories
The Caves 1.7, 1.5, 1.6, 2.1, 2.2 175

Comments

  1. LOSTCONNECTION Apr 30, 2007 3:20 a.m. Comment: 1

    Special thanks are due to katrina on this theory, who both reminded me that I thought they were a fine model for the show as a whole and listened to me hash out a bunch of the finer points of this theory today while I was really wasted and she was trying to actually watch an episode.

  2. 108 Apr 30, 2007 3:43 a.m. Comment: 2

    I’d give it a 5/5 for creativity. Its good and long :P hehe

    I don’t really understand what the overall idea your trying to say is…Bernard and Rose are Adam and Eve? physically? As in they were their previously and then a second pair came along. Or metaphorically, as in they represent all aspects of the A & B and A vs. B (i.e. Good vs. Bad, Fate & Free will, Life & Death)

    I like it though, alot of thought has been put into it. This does make you think about the importance of those two people on the island.

    Well Done LostConnection and others who are credited: Prof and Kat

  3. LOSTCONNECTION Apr 30, 2007 3:51 a.m. Comment: 3

    108 - To clarify, I think they are physically Adam and Eve. Thanks for rating.

  4. Opium32 Apr 30, 2007 4:01 a.m. Comment: 4

    That all reads really well man.

    However, what about “Adam and Eve” being Desmond and Penny? They’re seemingly just as in love as ose and Bernard, and you could probably make just as many links back to the numbers etc (guessing)./ Interesting fact about row 23 though… didnt know that!

    We saw those black and white stones on the coffee table of desmonds apartment… the same ones in the hands of Adam and Eve… isn’t that a strong suggestion they’re the same people?

    The whole Penny and Desmond thing seems to be becoming a much bigger story than Rose and Bernard ever were… would seem like this love story is more important? shrug

    By the way, where the hell are ROse and Bernard these days? Did they go off to live somewhere else? Cant remember

    But yeah nice theory. Maybe Desmond and Penny DO end up together again and Penny brings those crazy stones and they give them to Rose and Bernard in death as a parting gift… bit odd they didnt bury their bodies though. And a bit odd that there would be two pairs of black and white stones in the show i reckon

  5. shell Apr 30, 2007 9:04 a.m. Comment: 5

    good job. I would also add the leadership/following trend in the series and Rose appears to be a natural leader or perhaps more like an elder in a primitive societies. A few times people naturally come to her for advise, comfort but she isn’t dominating……a different type of leader than the other leaders on the show….I guess another type of opposite.

  6. LOSTCONNECTION Apr 30, 2007 10:23 a.m. Comment: 6

    Opium32 - They were in the running to be Adam and Eve, but neither Desmond nor Penelope appear or are mentioned in s01e01.

    This means the producers can’t use Des and Penny as an Adam and Eve if they also hope to use Adam and Eve to prove they were writing the story with a definite beginning, middle, and end from the time they wrote the Pilot episode. (We don’t learn of Des’s existence until s01e23 (“Exodus, Part III”), and while we see the Polaroid of him and Pen in early Season 2, we don’t learn her name or see a scene with her until s02e23 (“Live Together, Die Alone”).) They also don’t fit many of the themes, notably Healing. While Desmond and Penny do have a pair of Black & White stones, that does not make them Adam and Eve, it only makes them a red herring.

    shell - The leadership/following trend isn’t a major theme to me, but I agree, insofar as Rose certainly represents a different kind of leader. But Bernard, when he tries to be a leader is a polar opposite to Rose in his leadership style. (Rose will sit and wait for you to come to her with a problem, and then she will help explain it to you in a way that allows you to accept it. Bernard will come to you with a solution and tell you how to help him achieve it.) I guess I look at this as a subset of the Black & White theme, representative of the underlying dichotomy of things.

  7. ProfOzone Apr 30, 2007 11:06 a.m. Comment: 7

    Whoa, LC… good work.

    I’m not sure I agree, though, that “Adam and Eve” have to somehow be referenced or present in the first episode if what the producers said is true. I think the point they were making is that the skeletons (or, presumably, something about them) will be referenced at the very end of the story in such a way as to make it obvious that the skeletons in season one presaged the reference to them in the finale.

    There are many ways this can be accomplished without the skeletons having to be two of the crash survivors. For example, what if, in the finale, the stones that Jack found on the skeletons are so important to how things are resolved that it’s obvious that Jack finding the stones early in season one was critical to him having them/using them in the finale. That would certainly prove that they knew where they were going all along… that they knew what those stones were eventually going to do clear back in season one. In fact, the stones might eventually be a clue as to who the skeletons were (people who actually died 40 years ago), which becomes a clue as to what Jack needs to do to resolve some major conflict in the plot.

    As you’ve probably guessed, I would favor a resolution like this one over one that suggests two of our crash survivors are Adam and Eve because, so far, I’ve not been terribly satisfied with alternate reality theories.

    The greatest strength your theory has, though, is it tackles the questions by analyzing the characters. That is the absolute right way to go, in my opinion. The characters are what the story is all about… they are what the writers focus on… everything else is in service to the characters and, as such, might never be explained!

  8. LOSTCONNECTION Apr 30, 2007 11:20 a.m. Comment: 8

    Thanks, ProfOzone, glad you like it. My approach going into this theory (and all the ones I really care about writing) is to analyze characters, dialogue, and narrative style.

    I suppose that Adam and Eve don’t strictly need to be explicitly referenced in s01e01. But if I were a masterful writer trying to prove a point was true from the beginning of a story while writing an endpoint to that story 5 years later, I’d like to hope I had the forethought to set up my hook to that first episode. While it is not needed, it would be a sign of excellent writing IMHO, which I think LOST has in spades, and they have definitely shown us time and again how well they foreshadow points.

    I’m not suggesting alternate realities here, though. It does require some kind of funkiness with time, but I think this is probably an acceptable prerequisite for a theory.

  9. ProfOzone Apr 30, 2007 12:02 p.m. Comment: 9

    Point well made and well taken, LC.

  10. jazprof Apr 30, 2007 1:55 p.m. Comment: 10

    Nice work LC. Adding on to the healing theme, wasn’t Rose the one that Jack performed cpr on in the first ep. Maybe the island helped Jack out on that one.

    Shell, I like the idea of Rose becoming the leader in the way you described.

  11. tharde5 Apr 30, 2007 3:12 p.m. Comment: 11

    Great Job…very interesting read..I’d be disappointed if it does in fact end this way, because making people repeat their lives, time travel, whatever you call it I think it would seem a little out there for me. But alot of the pieces and points made all work well together..Well done

  12. TabulaRasa Apr 30, 2007 4:17 p.m. Comment: 12

    DAMN this is alot of reading, but, i liked it. and while i have to agree i saying i hope it doesnt turn out like tis, it does make sense, alot of sense. They fit the bill perfectly, and the island does too, you know, as in a “Garden of Eden” kind of way, and they constantly being tested

  13. testingonetwothree May 1, 2007 11:22 p.m. Comment: 13

    I think ProfOzone is right in that this theory analyzes the characters very well, but it doesn’t even attempt to explain HOW Rose and Bernard could possibly be Adam and Eve. Sure the evidence matches up, with the character analyses, except for the obvious fact that the Adam and Eve skeletons were about 40 (was it 40?) years dead and Rose and Bernard are still alive and kickin it on the island.

    I think that the Adam and Eve theory may pop up again in Ben’s episode. Perhaps they were merely a couple similar to Alex and Karl, only back in the day, and wanted to get away from the Others and live on their own, for whatever reason. It’s possible, of course, that Ben’s episode will come and go and we won’t feel any closer to the solution of the Adam and Eve mystery, but I think that it’s Bernard and Rose about as much as I believe that it’s Aaron and Sun and Jin’s kid (assuming it will survive and be a girl?).

    Theories like this are nice and make perfect sense only if you desperately WANT them to be true. Like the whispers on the show…. Who can really understand those until they read the transcripts and try to find the words in the whispers? It just seems a little too fake-backmasking to me. You’re going to hope for what you want, even if it’s not the most logical outcome.

    I apologize if I come across as too patronizing or too harsh but it’s just my opinion. I like the theory, but it has too many holes, and, like many others, I was never quite partial to the alternate realities or alternate timelines/time-traveling theories.

  14. trevcali May 2, 2007 1:17 a.m. Comment: 14

    f-u-c-k you katrina

  15. 108 May 2, 2007 8:15 a.m. Comment: 15

    You tell him Kat!

  16. ProfOzone May 2, 2007 8:49 a.m. Comment: 16

    Mr. Johnson: I’m not one to give unsolicited advice or stick my nose where it doesn’t belong. My friend, katrina, can obviously take care of herself. Besides, I often think it best simply to ignore rude people. However, in your case I do feel compelled to advise you to seek professional help or talk about this incident with your therapist if you already have one.

    I perceive your stance in this thread to have crossed over from angry to violent, and such things ought not go unaddressed.

  17. testingonetwothree May 2, 2007 1:35 p.m. Comment: 17

    Back to the theory….

    I still would like someone to explain to me just HOW it could be Rose and Bernard.

    Come on, sway me to the alternate timeline/dimension theory. Maybe I haven’t heard the science behind it.

  18. LOSTCONNECTION May 2, 2007 2:32 p.m. Comment: 18

    The concept that would allow that to be the case is based around time flowing nonlinearly. As evidenced by Desmond’s experience with time, time doesn’t behave in a totally normal way on the Island. Following this logic, it becomes possible that Adam and Eve are actually Rose and Bernard.

    I’m not trying to explain the physics of this theory. It was said elsewhere on this site that the physics explanations may not be as important to the writers and producers of the show as the story is, and I agree that is likely. Had they wanted to be quantum physicists they probably wouldn’t have gotten into television.

    It’s not a question of the science of it, it’s a question of the writing styles of the show’s creative team. This theory is not based on hard (or even theoretical) science so much as it based on interpretation of information from the show about the characters, meta-information related to the show given to us by the producers and analysis of the writing styles that compose the puzzle laid out by the producers. I feel that looking at the meta-information such as writing styles or what producers say is a form of “cheating” at the mystery (like interviewing the author while you read a mystery novel), but that it certainly helps with a mystery this large in scope and this unorthodox in composition.

    Realize that this is not a doctoral thesis, it is a work of fiction. It doesn’t need to follow the laws of science in a way that is true, only in a way that is plausible from a fiction writer’s (or perhaps more importantly, from a TV viewer’s) perspective.

    And because I said so.

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  19. ProfOzone May 2, 2007 2:52 p.m. Comment: 19

    Good points, LC… but in the same vein…

    You’re correct that the show has portrayed a non-linear perspective on time, but so far the only “time travel” that has gone on is Desmond going mentally back to some point in the timeline of his current life (or, if you want, Desmond traveling mentally forward to certain point in the timeline of his current life). So far there’s been no suggestion that people travel “bodily” to earlier or later spots on a general time-space continuum. Now, I agree it would seem that allowing non-linearity of time would also allow other time anomalies to be introduced in the future, but if we just stick to the narrative as we have it so far, we don’t have any reason to think any other kind of “time travel” other than Desmond’s is part of the show, do we? (I am asking that honestly, because I don’t recall myself.) For Rose and Desmond to be the skeletons, we’d have to posit a kind of time anomaly that we haven’t yet been shown, right? (Though I do understand that such an anomaly might be shown in the future, since time anomalies in general seem to be allowed.)

  20. LOSTCONNECTION May 2, 2007 3:13 p.m. Comment: 20

    That’s the point I was getting at ProfOzone - that another time anomaly may be in play, or that Desmond’s flashes are symptomatic of an existing anomaly.

    But, I do think Desmond has jumped physically at least once. In s03e08 (“Flashes Before Your Eyes”), Des wakes up in the jungle after the hatch implosion. Physically, he should have been crushed by the hatch collapsing around him. But he wakes up naked (referenced by Hurley “So, like, the hatch blew off your underwear?”, may be a reference to time travel, r.e.: Terminator?) lying on his back, and he holds the back of his head from where he got hit in the head with a cricket bat in London, shortly before he flashed back to the Island. While we could make the argument that he was injured in the hatch detonation, if that were actually the case, he should be VERY crushed. He was surrounded by metal in all 6 directions, and at least 10 feet below the floor of the Swan when he turned the key. There is no way he would have been injured only in the back of the head.

    At least, that’s my take on it.

  21. testingonetwothree May 2, 2007 3:14 p.m. Comment: 21

    Yeah, and while it’s all very interesting to wonder about, the whole way of thinking that “You don’t have to explain the physics behind it, it just is” is kind of annoying. I mean, sure we can say “Well, this could be it, the meaning behind Lost” but if the writers were to say “Yep, that’s what happened and we’re not explaining how or why because we’re just not physicists” would irk quiiiiite a many people.

  22. ProfOzone May 2, 2007 3:45 p.m. Comment: 22

    test: Although I think that’s just what the writers will do! :-D

    LC: OK… now I understand. Sorry it took me so long to get it. Very interesting.

  23. pocket May 2, 2007 4:08 p.m. Comment: 23

    speaking of SK and the stand…..

    1. remember in the last scene where Flagg arises again with a gaggle of indigenous folk around him?

    2. there’s a multiple worlds/timelines/borderlands thing underlying much of SK’s work that he brings together in the Dark Tower books. should this be it’s own thread?

  24. ProfOzone May 2, 2007 4:14 p.m. Comment: 24

    OK, LC… please allow me another question…

    If Desmond traveled back bodily… where was the other Desmond back in that time? And/or did Desmond skip all the other stuff in getting to the island?

    Hmm… curious…

  25. LOSTCONNECTION May 2, 2007 7:04 p.m. Comment: 25

    tesingonetwothree - Get ready to be disappointed by the ending of LOST then. If they try to explain something that is most likely actually impossible within the realms of conventional physics they are going to fail far harder than if they focus on the mysteries of the island and the character interactions.

    ProfOzone - I think Desmond may have traveled back into himself bodily, although it is totally possible that he merely linked his memory from the future point on the Island into his physical existence in the past, and him touching the back of his head is meant to show that he is disoriented. I think the rest of Desmond’s past still happened, most likely the same way it happened the first time, as evidenced by Ms. Hawking’s speech to Desmond in the jewelry store. If it had not happened that way, wouldn’t they all be dead?

    pocket - The producers have repeatedly said that they are fan’s of Stephen King’s work, and Carrie (Juliet’s favorite book) is a reference to this as well. The show has been compared in the past to the Dark Tower series specifically, also. But that is probably another thread altogether (I don’t know, having only ever read Insomnia by King).

  26. keving May 22, 2007 10:09 a.m. Comment: 26

    I just barely registered on this site and yours was one of the first theories I read (I’ve read several on other sites). Very well thought out and explained. Of course no one knows for sure what’s going to happen you have made strong points in all areas of concern. I too believe that Adam and Eve will play a big role later in the show and I’m really wanting to know what those black and white stones are for!!!

  27. flann o’brien May 24, 2007 6:07 a.m. Comment: 27

    nice theory. one thing that in my mind supports this is that, Kate was originally meant to be the ‘leader’ she was also supposed to be slightly older, and SHE was supposed to be the one whose husband was in the toilet when the plane split. the fact that when they changed the dynamic, (jack surviving, kate being younger etc.) they felt it was important to keep in the element of the husband going to the toilet before the split, suggests that this was very important to the story. also the fact that this separation was something which was originally going to happen to the ‘main character’ of the show, again suggests that BIG plans were made around this. possibly one of the early ideas when coming up with the whole premise of the show… just a thought

  28. Archaos May 24, 2007 3:38 p.m. Comment: 28

    Johnson’s Post@ kat = Troll Bait…

    Anywhozawhatsits…Jack does scream “We have to go back”. Granted LC came up with this long ago but is it concievable that, since Rose is cancer-free on the Island and, presumably, not outside of it. What if her and Bernard went back so she’d live…

    OR what if they didn’t leave with the rest of our Losties? They did say that they would stay (same episode Bernard makes the S.O.S sign) so what if they just sort of hung out, at some point interacted with Des (who’s stones I’m assuming they are) and then lived out their days on the island.

    But how are they there before the crash? You may ask.

    Well I’d hate to see the Lost writers pull some sort of copout and go the “Groundhog Day” way of things so I won’t suggest it, but with Des jumping backward (forward) in life and Jack’s Dad still being alive and Kate not being in jail and (enter w/e weird time anomaly thingy here) I figure it’s not too far a jump to place Rose and Bernard on the Island before the plane crashes in s01e01.

  29. goose May 26, 2007 5:48 p.m. Comment: 29

    May I just remind you that ‘Adam and Eve’ is Cockney rhyming slang for ‘believe’. I think this is an ironic message from the producers as there are few of the ten commandments which are upheld in the show, although some might want us to perceive this as a modern version of original sin. To adhere to an Adam and Eve theory is to hold to a religious theme and I do not think that there is a shred of evidence to link Lost to any kind of religion, except perhaps fundamentalist lunatics blowing up edifices, and whatever else, to advance their cause(s). Oh hang on, maybe this is a religious epic and I’ve missed the point.

  30. DoubleD May 26, 2007 10:12 p.m. Comment: 30

    I don’t think I have read such a well thought out, organized, and well written theory here before as yours lostconnection.

    But here comes the but :)

    Rose and Bernard are a quaint couple and we love them, but think TV and ratings folks. They just don’t look good enough or have the charisma that say a Jack and Kate do. Perhaps Jack and Kate are “Adam and Eve”?

    I could be wrong since they did re-introduced Rose and Bernard at the end of season 3.

    Ahhh well…

    And finally to Mr. Johnson who put his foot in his mouth. I am new here, but when I see someone abuse another member like that it makes me mad.

    beware the wrath of a patient man”

  31. Stip Jun 13, 2007 6 p.m. Comment: 31

    LC: really, really well thought out man - i wish we could apply your filter (the themes) to every character!

    +1 awesome

  32. crbolosan Jun 15, 2007 3:27 p.m. Comment: 32

    Here’s the problem I have with this theory.

    If the skeletons are Rose/Bernard, why wouldn’t the Losties (or the rescuers) remove their bodies and bring them back with the survivors for a proper burial? Why leave them on the island?

    If we are to assume that the skeletons are Rose/Bernard, that means they will both die at some point. Other Losties that have died get buried in the ground or their bodies are burned. Why, from the view point of the Losties, would these two get preferred treatment?

  33. Stip Jun 19, 2007 11:10 a.m. Comment: 33

    crbolosan: have they buried everyone that died?

    I think that A&E were the LAST survivors on the island - and that Jack and Kate and the Losties have been sent back as proposed in the Montauk theory.

    http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2007/jun/17/perfect-montauk-sci-fi/